The Culture Bunker Archives #05
(24 June - 7 July 1993)

Note: These archives were originally housed at The Culture Bunker FTP site (which no longer exists), and then later at Patrick Gaumond's Soul Desert pages. You can download the complete set of archives or check out Rail On!, the latest incarnation of The Culture Bunker. Enjoy!


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Today's Date  
Thu Jun 24 00:57:41 EDT 1993


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Ignore this if you read the NME this morning.
The skellington chronicles can now be obtained from the KAK address
(same as for RITE) on LP,CD or Cassette. With it you get Skellington
as well!! I think the prices are 9-50, 12-50 and 8-50 respectively
so its a bargain if you haven't already got Skellington.
More later.



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To: txe
Subject: The Skellington Chronicles



New album (at least partly), this is going to be available mail
order (again) from 28th June. The album contains 'Skellington'
(ie. the original version) and also 'Skellington 2: He's back...
and this time it's personal' (13 new songs)


the address is
K.A.K Ltd; P.O Box 3249; London SW2 3UE


prices: CD (12.50), LP (9.50) & tape (8.50) [all prices in pounds]


the blurb I have says "Acid campfire music from the guy you'd never
invite" (sic).. invite to do what? the mind boggles.


Also there is a tour involving some of the less accessible regions in
Ireland and Scotland culminating with a 1 week residency at the
Edinburgh Festival Fringe Club at the end of August. [and as luck
would have it, i'd already arranged to spend some time at the festival]


happy solstice



jo



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Thanks for the address!  
   Does anyone have any suggestions on how U.S. residents can order and
pay for the Skellington Chronicles?  Any idea if K.A.K. Ltd accepts
dollars too?
   Who ever gets it first: please post to the list and tell us what you 
think of the 13 new songs!
   Any word on AUTOGEDDON???


Travis


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Today's Date  
Thu Jun 24 01:12:05 EDT 1993


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Does anyone know if the "new" songs included in the SKELLINGTON
CHRONICLES are recent creations or old, previously unreleased stuff?


And here's another question for you: what's the Pound-to-Dollar
exchange rate about now?  $1.50 = L1.00???  Anyone keeping up with these
figures?


Oh yeah, guess what - this weekend I re-dubbed all of my Julian Cope and
Teardrop Explodes CD's onto 90-minute tapes.  And I bought the Peggy
Suicide CD, since my Peggy Suicide tape is getting fluttery and gross
to listen to.  Turns out, according to the people at the record shop,
some blank tapes are higher fidelity than the tapes that record companies
put albums onto.  So the reason my PEGGY SUICIDE tape is wearing out is
that ISLAND printed it on an el-cheapo cassette!  That pisses me off!


Not really.  :)


Anyone know anything else about tape degradation?


Travis


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Today's Date  
Thu Jun 24 10:43:09 EDT 1993


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From Jim.Davies@prg.oxford.ac.uk  Thu Jun 24 06:37:52 1993
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To: txe
Subject: sklngtn chrnchles





   New album (at least partly), this is going to be available mail
   order (again) from 28th June. The album contains 'Skellington'
   (ie. the original version) and also 'Skellington 2: He's back...
   and this time it's personal' (13 new songs)


It's summer: _he's_ back.  


   the blurb I have says "Acid campfire music from the guy you'd never
   invite" (sic).. invite to do what? the mind boggles.


Would you go camping with Julian?  (Yes)


Fact 1: On his new promo CD Spectre, Robyn Hitchcock mentions a chat with
Julian concerning serpents.


      Does anyone have any suggestions on how U.S. residents can order and
   pay for the Skellington Chronicles?  Any idea if K.A.K. Ltd accepts
   dollars too?


I would guess not.  I wouldn't, if I were them.  Unless you've got a
sensible arrangement with your bank, it costs you to cash dollars/ dollar
cheques/ money orders.  They're not interested in sterling cash: they
insist upon postal orders or cheques.


Fact 2: postal orders are about to be discontinued in Hong Kong.


Your best bet is to get a UK resident to send off for a couple of CDs (they
have a limit of 3 per order).  I already have two US residents hassling me,
but I could always order as somebody else.  


Jo?  Are you going to the Phoenix?  Looks like we are, although we still
haven't bought the tickets (pathetic). 


Jim









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Subject: "new" songs



Definately new. According to the NME they were recorded in April this year
and Julian reckons they are a sort of sequel to Jehovahkill, in the same way
that Skellington was a precursor to Peggy Suicide. They had a few of the
song titles that I can't remember offhand, although one was 'Madonna
Baglady Blues'.


The moral of the sad tape tale is STICK TO VINYL, YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE...



best wishes



Jo



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Travis writes:  (paraphrased)
>anyone know anything about tape degradation of Peggy Suicide cassettes?


Yes!  I had it a couple of years ago, and my walkman ate it!  So, those
grubby Island people weren't too keen on Julian making a double album,
so they compensated with poor cassettes?  That really sucks...
and I've never bought it again...


However, I have made some kind of interesting backwards tapes and cut-ups
out of the wreckage.... serendipity! :)


Kevin



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Thanks for the info, Jim, Jo and Kevin.


Okay, I know that a good deal of people on this list are Americans,
who appear not to be able to just mail money to K.A.K. and get what
they're willing to shell out bucks for.


So, if any of you people in Britain are willing to help me and the
rest of the non-Brits out by purchasing copies of THE SKELLINGTON 
CHRONICLES for us, we'll love you and we'll find some way to reimburse
you for it! :)


By the way, I'm dying to get this CD, so if anyone doesn't mind helping
out by ordering a copy for me, I'll be super-duper-glad to work out
a deal where we BOTH can benefit.


April of this year, huh?



GOTTA HAVE IT!!!!!


I take it the recording quality is on par with the SKELLINGTON we all know
and love?


Travis


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Thu Jun 24 10:50:04 EDT 1993


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A couple of questions:


Is AUTOGEDDON BLUES (???) the same thing as the new songs for the Skellington
Chronicles or is it a completely different undertaking?


Are the SKELLINGTON CHRONICLES going to be released on Island or on the new
lable?


Is anyone interested in helping to make a "Rare & Live" Julian Cope/Teardrop
Explodes tape?


Travis


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Today's Date  
Thu Jun 24 11:13:41 EDT 1993


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Jim, Jo, and others - 
   Never mind - I'm gonna try to exchange $ for L at my bank.  What I 
need to know is:
   What does the L8.50 for a mail-order tape include?  Do you have to tag on
a few Pounds for postage and handling?  Or is that included?
   Basically, how much money do we REALLY need to send K.A.K. Ltd?  The
prices listed or a couple L more?
Travis


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Today's Date  
Mon Jun 28 10:23:12 EDT 1993


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A second thing, VERY IMPORTANT...


   It has come to my attention that this list is very quiet.  And while I
don't really mind sitting on my bum waiting for a couple minutes when this
program mails off the newsletter to the 20 or 30 or so people subscribed
to The Culture Bunker, I'd rather not be flooding people with mail they
never read.  Mailing newsletters to those people is a waste of their time
as well as mine.
   So, if you want me to unsubscribe you, either because you are going to
move somewhere or because you're bored, then please e-mail me!  My address
is  txe@thunder.swa.com (the same as the mailing list - imagine that!!!)
   And, even more importantly, those of you who WANT to keep getting
mail from the list, please mail me and say so!  I'm trying to clean up the
subscribers' list, because a LOT of people have left for the summer, and
I'm starting to to get "Return to Sender" mail back from dead accounts.
   So e-mail me and tell me if you want to stay on the list or not!
    Thanks bunches.


Travis


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Today's Date  
Mon Jun 28 10:24:55 EDT 1993


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Cope list(en)ers -
   I would be super if, when we mail off for our SKELLINGTON CHRONICLES
CDs and tapes (and LPs, for Jo :) ) we could also include a little note
telling about the mailing list and asking if Julian Cope would be
interes in t on it or checking it out.
   Even if we represent a tiny portion of the Cope fans out there, if
enough of us send "hey there's a mailing list" letters to the K.A.K. Ltd.
people, they might actually bring it to attention.  You see, if
they got only ONE letter about it, they could shrug it off, but if they
got a DOZEN, they just might mention it to someone in contact with J.C.
   Does anyone else have other ideas on how to lure Jules into our web?
   I'm starting to think that one letter all by itself might not hack it.


   Please post your suggestions!


Travis


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Today's Date  
Tue Jun 29 11:55:46 EDT 1993


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From brian@mel.dit.csiro.au  Mon Jun 28 20:11:46 1993
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To: txe (Travis Emmitt)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 28 Jun 93 10:25:21 MST."
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 10:10:31 +1000
From: brian <Brian.May@mel.dit.csiro.au>


In message <9306281725.AA00428@thunder.swa.com>  you will probably deny saying.
.
#CDs and tapes (and LPs, for Jo :) ) we could also include a little note
#telling about the mailing list and asking if Julian Cope would be
#interes in t on it or checking it out.
#   Even if we represent a tiny portion of the Cope fans out there, if
#enough of us send "hey there's a mailing list" letters to the K.A.K. Ltd.
#people, they might actually bring it to attention.  You see, if
#they got only ONE letter about it, they could shrug it off, but if they
#got a DOZEN, they just might mention it to someone in contact with J.C.
#   Does anyone else have other ideas on how to lure Jules into our web?
#   I'm starting to think that one letter all by itself might not hack it.


I say 'yes' resoundingly. Hows about you all include a glowing letter bout
someone in Australia interviewing the Drude? OK, yes, I meant myself. The
letter included in my "Rite" application seems to have been ignored, or
binned etc. On gaining a successful interview......I know my tape-to-tape
dubber will be going frantically for Culture Bunkerers.


I'll be in the UK soon, so anyone got a STREET address for KAK? All I've
seen is a PO BOX number.


Also - do people on the list know of Cope gigs in these areas, these times?


Holland July10th-18th
London  July18th-24th
UK      July24th-Aug4th
NW US   Aug4th-14th
California Aug14th-21st



Wishful thinking, I know, but if you don't ask, you don't get!


brian



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Hello readers.  We just got about 6 more subscribers today, thanks to my
little advertisement on the USENET.  Um, to you new blokes - I was
looking over the files I sent you, mainly the welcoming stuff, and realized
how dated it was!  


So here, for everybody to look at really, is the new WELCOME into the 
CULTURE BUNKER mailing list.  It isn't anything snazzy, but it's a bit more
up-to-date!


Travis





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Hi there!  Welcome to THE CULTURE BUNKER, the "Official" Julian Cope /
Teardrop Explodes Mailing List.


The list has been open since Februrary of 1993, and we've been growing in
membership steadily.  As of June 29th, we have about 30 people on the list.
Articles come to me and are posted about once every other day (this picks
up during the school year of course).


WE've had some interesting discussions, all of which are available as
"backissues" if you want me to send 'em to you.


You can also use ANONYMOUS FTP to download and upload files to thunder.swa.com
(the computer all of this is on).


Thank you for joining our wonderful list, and if you have any questions or
comments, just email me (txe@thunder.swa.com)


If you want to write a letter that everyone in the group will receive, just
mail (txe@thunder.swa.com).  


I'll post any stuff you guys give me that's relevant to Cope/Teardrops/Music
in General.


Anyway, have fun and thanks for joining THE CULTURE BUNKER.


Travis Emmitt 
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Today's Date  
Tue Jun 29 12:07:26 EDT 1993


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oopsie!  Same error as always - I've got to learn to catch that one.
Here's the reprint (corrected):


Travis



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To: txe (Travis Emmitt)
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 10:10:31 +1000
From: brian <Brian.May@mel.dit.csiro.au>


In message <9306281725.AA00428@thunder.swa.com>  you will probably deny saying.
#CDs and tapes (and LPs, for Jo :) ) we could also include a little note
#telling about the mailing list and asking if Julian Cope would be
#interes in t on it or checking it out.
#   Even if we represent a tiny portion of the Cope fans out there, if
#enough of us send "hey there's a mailing list" letters to the K.A.K. Ltd.
#people, they might actually bring it to attention.  You see, if
#they got only ONE letter about it, they could shrug it off, but if they
#got a DOZEN, they just might mention it to someone in contact with J.C.
#   Does anyone else have other ideas on how to lure Jules into our web?
#   I'm starting to think that one letter all by itself might not hack it.


I say 'yes' resoundingly. Hows about you all include a glowing letter bout
someone in Australia interviewing the Drude? OK, yes, I meant myself. The
letter included in my "Rite" application seems to have been ignored, or
binned etc. On gaining a successful interview......I know my tape-to-tape
dubber will be going frantically for Culture Bunkerers.


I'll be in the UK soon, so anyone got a STREET address for KAK? All I've
seen is a PO BOX number.


Also - do people on the list know of Cope gigs in these areas, these times?


Holland July10th-18th
London  July18th-24th
UK      July24th-Aug4th
NW US   Aug4th-14th
California Aug14th-21st



Wishful thinking, I know, but if you don't ask, you don't get!


brian



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Hello readers.  We just got about 6 more subscribers today, thanks to my
little advertisement on the USENET.  Um, to you new blokes - I was
looking over the files I sent you, mainly the welcoming stuff, and realized
how dated it was!  


So here, for everybody to look at really, is the new WELCOME into the 
CULTURE BUNKER mailing list.  It isn't anything snazzy, but it's a bit more
up-to-date!


Travis



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hi there!  Welcome to THE CULTURE BUNKER, the "Official" Julian Cope /
Teardrop Explodes Mailing List.


The list has been open since Februrary of 1993, and we've been growing in
membership steadily.  As of June 29th, we have about 30 people on the list.
Articles come to me and are posted about once every other day (this picks
up during the school year of course).


WE've had some interesting discussions, all of which are available as
"backissues" if you want me to send 'em to you.


You can also use ANONYMOUS FTP to download and upload files to thunder.swa.com
(the computer all of this is on).


Thank you for joining our wonderful list, and if you have any questions or
comments, just email me (txe@thunder.swa.com)


If you want to write a letter that everyone in the group will receive, just
mail (txe@thunder.swa.com).  


I'll post any stuff you guys give me that's relevant to Cope/Teardrops/Music
in General.


Anyway, have fun and thanks for joining THE CULTURE BUNKER.


Travis Emmitt 
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Today's Date  
Wed Jun 30 11:00:43 EDT 1993


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OKay, I just put all the BACK-ISSUES in an ftp-able place.  Here's how
to get at 'em:


1) type "ftp thunder.swa.com" at your unix prompt.
2) for login type: "anonymous"
3) for password type your email address (or an "x" if you're lazy like me)
4) type "cd pub/cope/archives"
5) type "bin"
6) type "mget *"
7) You will be prompted for each filename.  Type "y" if you want it.  The
   back issues are the BUNCH files.
8) When you're done ftp'ing, type "quit" and you'll be back at your UNIX
   prompt.
9) type "more <filename>" to read a file.  Jeez - you probably oughta know
   this by now.


GOOD LUCK, and if you don't have a real UNIX account (or a FTP-capable account)
Then I will be happy to mail the back issues to you.


I just figure this way is easier, since these files are kinda big.


Any questions --- ask me!


Travis


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   Well, it's nice to be part of this list. All of you should be
glad that such a thing did not exist back around 1983 or so, or
you'd have had page after page of ranting from me, as I figured
Fried to be a gift from god. This isn't to say that I'm tired of
Julian now, as Jehovah Kill re-awakened my interest. Actually, this 
list catches me as I'm going through another one of my Teardrop Explodes
phases. I usually catch them once every 8 or 9 months, thus being forced
to pull out everything I own and expressing to all around as to how
criminally underrated they were. Ironically enough, a month ago I ran
into 4 or 5 Teardrop singles for a dollar a piece...


   Let's see, how did I get into this stuff? I had a very hip older
friend that introduced me to a ton of groovy English stuff back in the
late 70's. Through her I discovered the magic of NME and Melody Maker,
thus my door into a different world. I picked up Kilimanjaro and liked
it okay, Treason being one of the greatest songs ever written...
but it was Wilder that really grabbed me. I love that album, "And The 
Fighting Takes Over", "Tiny Children", "Great Dominions"...
 Anyway, with Cope, the "Sunshine Playroom" EP came and I went quite
mad with enjoyment. I loved Julian the most when he was in his
surrealistic stage of "Syd Barrett Syndrome". So, to try and cut this
mess of rambling, I followed Julian up until "St. Julian" which I found
to be very disappointing. The next LP was equally poor in my opinion, 
though the China Doll single was great (classic Scott Walker imitation).
I thought Peggy Suicide was so-so, but am pretty pleased by Jehovah Kill.
It's so typical of the cluelessness of labels that he should be dropped
upon release of what many critics call one of his truly great albums.



   I will try to type a vague discography fairly soon. Somewhere I have
a complete listing, but finding it will be a problem...


 As for early Cope, I know of :


 Sunshine Playroom - EP and 7" (never have seen the 7")
 Greatness and Perfection of Love - 12"  (don't know if a 7" was released)     
 Sunspots - a limited double 7" as well as standard one
 

 he also released a 7" under the psuedonym of "Rabbi Joseph Gordon" on
 the Bam Caruso label. It was called "Competition". I remember the idiots
 that run our local "incredibly hip" import shop returned the single to
 the distributor, thinking it was religious music. It's an interesting
 record - "Just because I'm red, don't call me red...".


   As for "Rite", because it's almost impossible to buy international
money orders or sterling down here, I don't know how to possibly 
order it. Maybe we (us yanks) could pool our resourses and have someone
in a more civilized city (unlike Atlanta) purchase one big international
money order and get us all a copy? I mean, I can hardly wait to hear this
thing (Cope's take on ambient trance music) and am scared to death that
it'll go out of print well before I can find one...


   
   Michael



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Thu Jul  1 12:00:14 EDT 1993


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Subject: Julian Cope - The Skellington Chronicles



The boy is back!


Just a few months after 'Rite' the arch-drude has bounced back with
another mail-order only release: 'The Skellington Chronicles'.


This brings together 1989's 'Skellington' album with a new companion 
piece - a 'Skellington Volume 2' if you like - which together make up
a bumper 25 tracks.


Vol. 2 was, like its predecessor, recorded in a day and a half. Track 
titles include 'Scud-U-Like' and 'Madonna Baglady Blues'.


The package gets a quite reasonable 7 out of 10 in the current NME (issue
dated July 3rd).


The Skellington Chronicles costs


        12.50 CD / 9.50 LP / 8.50 MC


The above prices are in pounds sterling and include post and
packaging (for the UK anyway - I'm not sure about overseas costs)
and is available from


        KAK Ltd,
        PO Box 3249
        London
        SW2 3UE
        ENGLAND


Cheques/Postal Orders to me made payable to KAK Ltd.
Orders are limited to three per person.



Cheers,


Brian (bmcgeene@gssec.bt.co.uk)
        




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                        JULIAN COPE & THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
                              U.K. DISCOGRAPHY 1979-93


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Dates are from an NME (New Musical Express - UK music newspaper) discography, 
and are suspect in some cases - many of the song names are also mis-spelt in 
the NME.  I have all the Cope solo stuff and some of the Teardrops stuff, so I
have checked it against that.  I haven't bothered to list promos etc, which 
are all tracks from albums/singles in any case.


7/10/12/CD refers to 7"/10"/12" vinyl and CD formats. 
Extra tracks on 12" and/or CD are shown with an asterisk (*).
Cover versions are shown with a (C).


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1.      THE TEARDROP EXPLODES


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1A.     ZOO RECORDS


All the Zoo tracks are on the compilation "Piano", which is 32 minutes long 
and mastered from the original vinyl, so it is pretty low quality.
These songs are all different versions to those on "Kilimanjaro"


Feb 79  Sleeping Gas // Camera, Camera / Kirkby Workers Dream Fades (7)


Jun 79  Bouncing Babies // All I Am Is Loving You (7)


Feb 80  Treason (It's Just a Story) // Read It In Books (7)


    82  TO THE SHORES OF LAKE PLACID
                

        Compilation album includes "When I Dream", "Camera, Camera" and 
        "Take a Chance" by The Teardrop Explodes, "Kwalo Klobinsky's Lullabye"
        by Whopper, plus tracks by Big in Japan, Echo & the Bunnymen, Dalek I 
        Love You, and other Zoo artists.  The Whopper track is Cope and Dwyer
        plus a disjointed backing track, which includes the horns from "When
        I Dream", and is on "Piano" with the proper Teardrops songs.


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1B.     MERCURY


Sep 80  When I Dream // Kilimanjaro (7)


Oct 80  KILIMANJARO
        Ha Ha I'm Drowning / Sleeping Gas / Treason / Second Head / Reward /
        Poppies in the Field //
        Went Crazy / Brave Boys Keep Their Promises / Bouncing Babies / Books /
        Thief of Baghdad / When I Dream
        

        Later reissued with "Reward" added (Mercury wanted this), and a new 
        cover with a photo of some zebras on it (Cope wanted this, possibly 
        because he had kicked several of the people on the old cover out of 
        the band).  The cover on the modern reissues is the original.
        On the inside sleeve, "Sleeping Gas" is subtitled "Kwalo Klobinsky's
        Lullabye".


Jan 81  Reward // Strange House in the Snow (7)


Apr 81  Treason // Trahison (C'est Juste Une Histoire) (*) / Use Me (7/12)


Aug 81  Ha Ha I'm Drowning // Poppies (7)
                Also a double single pack with 
        Books // Bouncing Babies (7)


Sep 81  Passionate Friend // Christ Vs. Warhol (7/12)
                12" with extended version of B-side


Nov 81  Colours Fly Away // Window Shopping for a New Crown of Thorns /
        East of the Equator (*) (7/12)


Nov 81  WILDER
        Bent Out Of Shape / Colours Fly Away / Seven Views of Jerusalem /
        Pure Joy / Falling Down Around Me / The Culture Bunker //
        Passionate Friend / Tiny Children / Like Leila Khaled Said /
        ...And the Fighting Takes Over / The Great Dominions
        

        Original cover was of flowers (as on the inside of "Floored Genius"),
        modern reissues show Cope's face.


Jun 82  Tiny Children // Rachel Built a Steamboat / 
        Sleeping Gas (live) (*) (7/12)


Feb 83  You Disappear From View // Suffocate (7)
                Also a double 7" single pack with "Baroque version" of 
                "Suffocate", and
        Soft Enough For You / The In-Psychlopaedia // Ouch Monkeys (7)
                12" same as the double 7", but "Suffocate" was the 
                "American version"


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1C.     THE THIRD ALBUM


"Everybody Wants To Shag The Teardrop Explodes" was the title of the "never
released" first Zoo LP, the version of "When I Dream" on the Zoo compilation
is from this album.  The title was used for a collection of late-period 
Teardrops tracks, some from the aborted third album.  All the A & B-sides from
this period are from Mercury albums.


Jan 90  Serious Danger // Sleeping Gas / Seven Views of Jerusalem (*) (7/12/CD)


Mar 90  EVERYBODY WANTS TO SHAG THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
        Ouch Monkeys / Serious Danger / Metranil Vavin / 
        Count to Ten and Run for Cover / The In-Psychlopaedia / 
        Soft Enough For You  //
        You Disappear From View (1) / The Challenger / Not My Only Friend /
        Sex (Pussyface) / Terrorist / Strange House in the Snow


Apr 90  Count to Ten and Run For Cover // Reward / Poppies (*) / 
                Like Leila Khaled Said (*) (7/12/CD)


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2.      JULIAN COPE SOLO
        

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2A.     MERCURY


The remixes are not very different from the album versions (I haven't heard 
the remix of "Pussyface" though).


Nov 83  Sunshine Playroom / Hey High Class Butcher //
        Wreck My Car (*) / Eat The Poor (*) (7/12)
                "Eat the Poor" features an early version of "Land of Fear" 
                at the end.


Feb 84  WORLD SHUT YOUR MOUTH
        Bandy's First Jump / Metranil Vavin / Strasbourg / Elegant Chaos /
        Quizmaster / Kolly Kibber's Birthday //
        Sunshine Playroom / Head Hang Low / Pussyface / 
        Greatness & Perfection / Lunatic and Fire-pistol


Mar 84  The Greatness and Perfection of Love (remix) //
        24a Velocity Crescent / Pussyface (remix) (7/12)


Sep 84  Competition / Belief in Him (7)
                This is labelled as being by "Rabbi Joseph Gordan", on Bam 
                Caruso records. Copey was given an antique toy car as payment 
                for it.


Nov 84  FRIED
        Reynard the Fox / Bill Drummond Said / Laughing Boy / Me Singing /
        Sunspots //
        The Bloody Assizes / Search Party / O King of Chaos / Holy Love /
        Torpedo


Feb 85  Sunspots (remix) // I Went on a Chourney (7)
                Initial copies as a double single pack with
        Mik Mak Mok // Land of Fear (7)


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2B.     ISLAND - FIRST PHASE


Remixes are generally very different from the album versions.


Sep 86  World Shut Your Mouth / I've Got Levitation (C*) // 
        Umpteenth Unnatural Blues / Non-Alignment Pact (C*) / 
        Transporting (*) (7/12)


Oct 86  WSYM (long) // Levitation (C) / WSYM (short) (12)
                Julian Cope vs. Trouble Funk - remixes of "WSYM", 
                "Levitation" is the same as on the normal single.


Jan 87  Trampolene / Disaster // 
        Mock Turtle (*) / Warwick the Kingmaker (*) (7/12)


Jan 87  Trampolene (Warne Out Mix) // Trampolene / Disaster (12)


Mar 87  ST. JULIAN
        Trampolene / Shot Down / Eve's Volcano / Spacehopper / Planet Ride //
        World Shut Your Mouth / St. Julian / Pulsar / Screaming Secrets /
        A Crack in the Clouds


Mar 87  Eve's Volcano (Covered in Sin) (remix) / 
        Almost Beautiful Child I & II // Pulsar NX (live) (*) / 
        Shot Down (live) (*) (7/12)
                Also a CD with "Spacehopper - annexe"


Apr 87  Eve's Volcano (Covered in Sin) !Vulcano Lungo! (another remix)// 
        Spacehopper - annexe / Almost Beautiful Child I & II (12)


Sep 88  Charlotte Anne / A Question of Temperature (C*) // 
        Christmas Mourning / Books (*) (7/12/CD)
                "Books" is a re-recording of the old Teardrops/Bunnymen 
                classic.  12" came as a picture disc.


Jul 88  MY NATION UNDERGROUND 
        5 O'Clock World (C) / Vegetation / Charlotte Anne / 
        My Nation Underground //
        China Doll / Someone Like Me (C) / Easter Everywhere / 
        I'm Not Losing Sleep / The Great White Hoax


        The date is certainly wrong for this - it was released after
        "Charlotte Anne", but before Christmas.


Jan 89  5 O'Clock World (C) // SPQR / Reynard in Tokio (live) (*) (7/12/CD)


Jan 89  5 O'Clock World // SPQR / WSYM (Trouble Funk mix) (10)


Jun 89  China Doll / Desi (*) // Crazy Farm Animal / Rail On (*) (7/10/12/CD)


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2C.     THE MYSTERY ALBUMS


There have been various rumours about these - both were obviously recorded
quickly, and are about half an hour long.  "Skellington" features Cope, Skinner 
& Cosby, and was recorded by Hugo Nicolson who worked on "My Nation
Underground" and all of Cope's subsequent albums.  This suggests it was not
recorded during the breakup of the Teardrops, or immediately after "Fried" 
(two of the more popular claims), though many of the songs date from that 
period or before.  "Robert Mitchum", like "Books" and "Spacehopper" is a
Cope/McCulloch composition, dating from their time in The Crucial Three with 
Pete Wylie of Wah!, long before any of them were famous.  


The best guess is that "Skellington" was the follow-up to "My Nation 
Underground", which Island rejected, and that "Droolian" is a collection of 
demos, out-takes and messing around.  "Droolian" was allegedly only released
in Texas, but I suspect this (like the claim that "Skellington" was recorded
before "St Julian") was a way of getting round Cope's contract with Island.
The boxes for the remixes of "East Easy Rider" and "Head" also bear the
Copeco/Zippo logo, despite being on Island.


Apr 90  SKELLINGTON (Copeco/Zippo, UK)
        Doomed / Beaver / Me and Jimmy Jones / Robert Mitchum / 
        Out Of My Mind on Dope and Speed / Don't Crash Here /
        Everything Playing at Once //
        Little Donkey / Great White Wonder / Incredibly Ugly Girl /
        No How, No Why, No Way, No Where, No When / Commin' Soon


        Again, I think the date is wrong - my copy is (c) 1989, which is the
        year given on the notes to "East Easy Rider".


Jun 90  DROOLIAN (MoFoCo/Zippo, USA)
        Sqwubbsy / Look After Your Leathers / Unisex Cathedral / 
        Commin' Down / Safe Surfer / Yeah Yeah Yeah / Jellypop Perky Jean //
        When Will I Get to Hold You? / Louis 14th / "...Atonement of Wasp" /
        Gentleman Dude / Kelly / Church of England 1991


        No mention of Cope anywhere on this disc, other than his picture on 
        the back cover.  The dog on the front cover is Smelvin.


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2D.     ISLAND - SECOND PHASE


Jan 91  Beautiful Love / Port Of Saints / Love LUV (Beautiful Love remix) (*) /
        Unisex Cathedral (*) (from "Droolian") (7/12/CD)


Feb 91  Love LUV // Dragonfly 
                Numbered pink vinyl 12" only.


Mar 91  PEGGY SUICIDE
        Pristeen / Double Vegetation / East Easy Rider / Promised Land /
        Hanging Out & Hung Up on the Line //
        Safesurfer / If You Loved Me At All / Drive, She Said //
        Soldier Blue / You... / Not Raving But Drowning / Head / Leperskin //
        Beautiful Love / Uptight / Western Front 1992 CE / 
        Hung Up & Hanging Out to Dry / The American Lite /
        Las Vegas Basement


        CD version misses one track - "Uptight" I think.


Apr 91  East Easy Rider / Butterfly E / Almost Alive (*) / 
        Little Donkey (*) (from "Skellington") (7/12/CD)


Apr 91  Easty Risin' (East Easy Rider remix) // Ravebury Stones
                Numbered blue vinyl 12" in a box with picture of Sqwubbsy and
                a rant about civilisation.


Jul 91  Head / Straw Dogs / Anyway At All (*) / Bagged-out Ken (*) (7/12/CD)


Jul 91  Heed : Of Penetration and the City-Dweller (Head remix) //
        Bring Cherhill Down (vocal) / Bring Cherhill Down (instrumental)
                Numbered yellow vinyl 12" with picture of Avebury on the 
                A-side, in a box.


Aug 92  FLOORED GENIUS - THE BEST OF JULIAN COPE AND THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
        Reward / Treason / Sleeping Gas / Bouncing Babies / Passionate Friend /
        The Great Dominions //
        The Greatness and Perfection of Love / An Elegant Chaos / Sunspots /
        Reynard the Fox //
        World Shut Your Mouth / Trampolene / Spacehopper / Charlotte Anne /
        China Doll //
        Out Of My Mind on Dope and Speed / Jellypop Perky Jean / 
        Beautiful Love / East Easy Rider / Safesurfer


        The remix of "World Shut Your Mouth" was reissued with B-sides from
        other Cope albums to promote this LP.


Oct 92  Fear Loves This Place / I Have Always Been Here Before (C) / 
        Sizewell B (*) / Gogmagog (*) (7/12/CD)


Oct 92  Paleface / Nothing / Starry Eyes / Fear Loves This Place
                Limited second CD to fit into the special box for the first CD.
                "Fear..." is the same as the other single.


Oct 92  JEHOVAHKILL
        Soul Desert / No Hard Shoulder to Cry On / Akhenaten /
        Up-wards at 45 degrees / Know (Cut My Friend Down) //
        Necropolis / Slow Rider / Gimme Back My Flag / Poet is Priest... /
        Julian H. Cope //
        The Subtle Energies Commission / Fa-fa-fa-fine / 
        Fear Loves This Place / The Tower / Peggy Suicide is Missing


        Initial copies came in a completely blue CD case.


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2E.     K.A.K.


These albums are mail-order only.


Jan 93  RITE
        The Indians Worship Him, But He Hurries On / Amethysteria /
        Bringing Cherhill Down Part 1 / In Search of Ancient Astronomies
        

        Four long instrumentals, intended for meditation use.
        "Bringing Cherhill Down Part 1" is a Skinner/Cosby composition, 
        the full title is only on the inside of the CD insert.


Jun 93  THE SKELLINGTON CHRONICLES
                

        "Skellington" with a second LP of similar stuff (NOT "Droolian") 
        on the same disc.  Haven't got my copy yet.


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Fri Jul  2 11:08:56 EDT 1993


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A couple of bits of Cope trivia:


When I saw JC live, just before the release of "Saint Julian", his support
band were Biff Bang Pow!.  This is Alan McGee's band, and basically consists
of McGee and Richard Green (the people who run Creation records), plus anyone
else they feel like working with.  They are a bit erratic - sometimes they
can be wonderful, more often they are just second-rate jangly indie pop.
On at least one of their albums ("Love is Forever" I think), Julian's brother
Joss plays harmonica and organ.  Joss Cope was also a member of "Something
Pretty Beautiful", who released a self-titled 6-track mini-LP on Creation.
Joss co-wrote all the songs, and sings on some of them, his voice being 
remarkably similar to Julian's.  The sound is fairly similar to the poppy bits
of Julian's first solo album, or the Chills, but the LP isn't all that 
memorable - I bought it because it was cheap, but I would have been 
disappointed if I had paid full price for it.


The other bit of trivia is about the song "Jellypop Perky Jean" on "Droolian".
Irish comedian Sean Hughes sang it as part of his TV series, currently being
repeated on C4 in the UK.  He had a climbing frame mike stand and did a 
really beautiful performance, with ballet dancers and glittering lights.
Hughes has also appeared on an album called "20 Golden Showers" by Bubonique,
which also includes Cathal Coughlan from Fatima Mansions.  He sings the song
again on that album, but with twists the words around until he is singing
"I don't think I love you at all, see you around..."


Anyone know of any other Cope/Teardrops cover versions?



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Subject: Cope



More Cope/Teardrops (extreme) Trivia:


In the mid-80's Copey's brother Joss sang with Freight Train - a band which
also featured Donald Ross-Skinner on guitars. Freight Train gigged extensively
round Liverpool circa 1985, playing support to numerous visiting acts. They
weren't particularly good though, I seem to remember. Don't know if they
ever recorded anything.


Don't know of any Cope/Teardrops covers apart from the Bubonique "version" 
but does anyone else remember "I can't get 'Bouncing Babies' by The
Teardrop Explodes" as performed by The Freshies. The Freshies were a 
novelty-ish one-hit-wonder band (and this song wasn't their 'hit') from the
late 70's/early 80's fronted by Chris Sievey - more recently known (in the
UK at least) by his papier-mache-headed alter ego: Frank Sidebottom.



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Many thanks to the person who typed in the original version of 
this discography.  I've added some items, and some catalog 
numbers from things in my own collection. 
 

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JULIAN COPE & THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
DISCOGRAPHY 1979-93
 

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Dates are from an NME (New Musical Express - UK music newspaper) discography, 
and are suspect in some cases - many of the song names are also mis-spelt in 
the NME.  I have all the Cope solo stuff and some of the Teardrops stuff, so I
have checked it against that.  I haven't bothered to list promos etc, which 
are all tracks from albums/singles in any case.
 

7/10/12/CD refers to 7"/10"/12" vinyl and CD formats. 
Extra tracks on 12" and/or CD are shown with an asterisk (*).
Cover versions are shown with a (C).
 

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1. THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
 

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1A. ZOO RECORDS
 

All the Zoo tracks are on the compilation "Piano", which is 32 minutes long 
and mastered from the original vinyl, so it is pretty low quality.
These songs are all different versions to those on "Kilimanjaro"
 

Feb 79 Sleeping Gas // Camera, Camera / Kirkby Workers Dream Fades (7)
 

Jun 79 Bouncing Babies // All I Am Is Loving You (7)
 

Feb 80 Treason (It's Just a Story) // Read It In Books (7)
 

    82  TO THE SHORES OF LAKE PLACID
 

Compilation album includes "When I Dream", "Camera, Camera" and 
"Take a Chance" by The Teardrop Explodes, "Kwalo Klobinsky's Lullabye"
by Whopper, plus tracks by Big in Japan, Echo & the Bunnymen, Dalek I 
Love You, and other Zoo artists.  The Whopper track is Cope and Dwyer
plus a disjointed backing track, which includes the horns from "When
I Dream", and is on "Piano" with the proper Teardrops songs.
 

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1B. MERCURY
 

Sep 80 When I Dream // Kilimanjaro (7)
 

Oct 80 KILIMANJARO (PRICE 59 (UK); SRM-1-4016 (US, Jan 81); CD reissued 
                    on Skyclad, LUCKY CD7)
 

Ha Ha I'm Drowning / Sleeping Gas / Treason / Second Head / 
Reward / Poppies in the Field // Went Crazy / Brave Boys Keep 
Their Promises / Bouncing Babies / Books / Thief of Baghdad / 
When I Dream 
 

Later reissued with "Reward" added (Mercury wanted this), and a new 
cover with a photo of some zebras on it (Cope wanted this, possibly 
because he had kicked several of the people on the old cover out of 
the band).  The cover on the modern reissues is the original.
On the inside sleeve, "Sleeping Gas" is subtitled "Kwalo Klobinsky's
Lullabye".
 

Jan 81 Reward // Strange House in the Snow (7) (TEAR 2)
 

Apr 81 Treason // Traison (C'est Juste Une Histoire) (*) / Use Me 
       (7/12) (TEAR 312)
 

Aug 81 Ha Ha I'm Drowning // Poppies (7)
       Also a double single pack with 
       Books // Bouncing Babies (7) (TEAR 44)
 

Sep 81 Passionate Friend // Christ Vs. Warhol (7/12) (TEAR 5 (7"))
       12" with extended version of B-side
 

Nov 81 Colours Fly Away // Window Shopping for a New Crown of Thorns /
East of the Equator (*) (7/12) TEAR 612 (12")
 

Nov 81 WILDER (PRICE 112 (UK); 6359-056 (US); SRM-1-4035 (US 
reissue); CD reissued on Skyclad, CRAZY8CD)) 
Bent Out Of Shape / Colours Fly Away / Seven Views of Jerusalem /
Pure Joy / Falling Down Around Me / The Culture Bunker //
Passionate Friend / Tiny Children / Like Leila Khaled Said /
...And the Fighting Takes Over / The Great Dominions
 

Original cover was of flowers (as on the inside of "Floored Genius"),
modern reissues show Cope's face. [Note: song order differs on US 
versions.]
 

Jun 82 Tiny Children // Rachel Built a Steamboat / 
Sleeping Gas (live) (*) (7/12) (TEAR 712 (12"))
 

Feb 83You Disappear From View // Suffocate (7)  (TEAR 88 (12"))
Also a double 7" single pack with "Baroque version" of 
"Suffocate", and Soft Enough For You / The In-Psychlopaedia // 
Ouch Monkeys (7) 12" same as the double 7", but "Suffocate" was 
the "American version" 
 

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1C. DOCUMENT 
 

    90 "The Zoo" -- Uncaged 1978-1982 (DCD1)
 

Compilation very much like (same as?) "To The Shores of Lake 
Placid," has interesting, conciliatory liner notes from Bill 
Drummond.  Teardrop Explodes songs are:
 

Sleeping Gas // Bouncing Babies // Treason // Books
 

    90 PIANO (DCD4)
 

Sleeping Gas // Camera, Camera // Krkby Workers Dream Fades // 
Bouncing Babies // All I Am Is Loving You // Treason // Books // 
Take A Chance // When I Dream // Kwalo Kobinsky's Lullaby
 

 
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1D. THE THIRD ALBUM
 

"Everybody Wants To Shag The Teardrop Explodes" was the title of the "never
released" first Zoo LP, the version of "When I Dream" on the Zoo compilation
is from this album.  The title was used for a collection of late-period 
Teardrops tracks, some from the aborted third album.  All the A & B-sides from
this period are from Mercury albums.
 

Jan 90 Serious Danger // Sleeping Gas / Seven Views of Jerusalem (*) (7/12/CD)
 

Mar 90 EVERYBODY WANTS TO SHAG THE TEARDROP EXPLODES (Fontana 842 439-2)
Ouch Monkeys / Serious Danger / Metranil Vavin / Count to Ten and 
Run for Cover / The In-Psychlopaedia / Soft Enough For You  // 
You Disappear From View (1) / The Challenger / Not My Only Friend 
/ Sex (Pussyface) / Terrorist / Strange House in the Snow 
 

Apr 90 Count to Ten and Run For Cover // Reward / Poppies (*) / 
Like Leila Khaled Said (*) (7/12/CD)
 

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2. JULIAN COPE SOLO
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2A. MERCURY
 

The remixes are not very different from the album versions (I haven't heard 
the remix of "Pussyface" though).
 

Nov 83 Sunshine Playroom / Hey High Class Butcher // Wreck My Car 
(*) / Eat The Poor (*) (7/12) (COPE 112)
 "Eat the Poor" features an early version of "Land of Fear" at the end. 
 

Feb 84 WORLD SHUT YOUR MOUTH (818-365-2 CD)
Bandy's First Jump / Metranil Vavin / Strasbourg / Elegant Chaos 
/ Quizmaster / Kolly Kibber's Birthday // Sunshine Playroom / 
Head Hang Low / Pussyface / Greatness & Perfection / Lunatic and 
Fire-pistol 
 

Mar 84 The Greatness and Perfection of Love (remix) //
24a Velocity Crescent / Pussyface (remix) (7/12) (MERX 155)
 

Sep 84 Competition / Belief in Him (7)
This is labelled as being by "Rabbi Joseph Gordan", on Bam 
Caruso records. Copey was given an antique toy car as payment 
for it.
 

Nov 84 FRIED (822-832-2 CD)
Reynard the Fox / Bill Drummond Said / Laughing Boy / Me Singing 
/ Sunspots // The Bloody Assizes / Search Party / O King of Chaos 
/ Holy Love / Torpedo 
 

Feb 85 Sunspots (remix) // I Went on a Chourney (7) (MER 1822)
Initial copies as a double single pack with
Mik Mak Mok // Land of Fear (7)
 

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2B.ISLAND - FIRST PHASE
 

Remixes are generally very different from the album versions.
 

Sep 86 World Shut Your Mouth / I've Got Levitation (C*) // 
Umpteenth Unnatural Blues / Non-Alignment Pact (C*) / 
Transporting (*) (7/12) (12 IS 290 (12"))
 

Oct 86 WSYM (long) // Levitation (C) / WSYM (short) (12) (12 IX 290)
Julian Cope vs. Trouble Funk - remixes of "WSYM", 
"Levitation" is the same as on the normal single.
 

Jan 87 Trampolene / Disaster (7) (ISG 305; double single w/ T/D 
on both records...or else mine is screwed up)
 

Jan 87 Trampolene / Disaster // 
Mock Turtle (*) / Warwick the Kingmaker (*) (7/12) (ISW 305 (7", 
                                   comes w/poster); 12 IS 305 (12"))
 

Jan 87 Trampolene (Warne Out Mix) // Trampolene / Disaster (12) (12 ISX 305)
 

Mar 87 ST. JULIAN (CID 9861 CD)
Trampolene / Shot Down / Eve's Volcano / Spacehopper / Planet Ride //
World Shut Your Mouth / St. Julian / Pulsar / Screaming Secrets /
A Crack in the Clouds
 

Mar 87 Eve's Volcano (Covered in Sin) (remix) / 
Almost Beautiful Child I & II // Pulsar NX (live) (*) / 
Shot Down (live) (*) (7/12)
Also a CD with "Spacehopper - annexe" (CID 318)
 

Apr 87 Eve's Volcano (Covered in Sin) !Vulcano Lungo! (another remix)// 
Spacehopper - annexe / Almost Beautiful Child I & II (12) (12 ISX 318)
 

Sep 88 Charlotte Anne / Books / A Question of Temperature (C*) // 
Christmas Mourning / (*) (7/12/CD) (12 IS 380)
"Books" is a re-recording of the old Teardrops/Bunnymen 
classic.  12" came as a picture disc.
 

Jul 88 MY NATION UNDERGROUND (7-91025-2 CD)
5 O'Clock World (C) / Vegetation / Charlotte Anne / 
My Nation Underground //
China Doll / Someone Like Me (C) / Easter Everywhere / 
I'm Not Losing Sleep / The Great White Hoax
 

The date is certainly wrong for this - it was released after
"Charlotte Anne", but before Christmas.
 

Jan 89 5 O'Clock World (C) // SPQR / Reynard in Tokio (live) (*) (7/12/CD)
       (12 IS 399)
 

Jan 89 5 O'Clock World // SPQR / WSYM (Trouble Funk mix) (10)
 

Jun 89 China Doll / Delsi (*) // Crazy Farm Animal / Rail On (*) (7/10/12/CD)
        (10ISP 406-A picture disc 10")
 

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2C. THE MYSTERY ALBUMS
 

There have been various rumours about these - both were obviously recorded
quickly, and are about half an hour long.  "Skellington" features Cope, Skinner 
& Cosby, and was recorded by Hugo Nicolson who worked on "My Nation
Underground" and all of Cope's subsequent albums.  This suggests it was not
recorded during the breakup of the Teardrops, or immediately after "Fried" 
(two of the more popular claims), though many of the songs date from that 
period or before.  "Robert Mitchum", like "Books" and "Spacehopper" is a
Cope/McCulloch composition, dating from their time in The Crucial Three with 
Pete Wylie of Wah!, long before any of them were famous.  
 

The best guess is that "Skellington" was the follow-up to "My Nation 
Underground", which Island rejected, and that "Droolian" is a collection of 
demos, out-takes and messing around.  "Droolian" was allegedly only released
in Texas, but I suspect this (like the claim that "Skellington" was recorded
before "St Julian") was a way of getting round Cope's contract with Island.
The boxes for the remixes of "East Easy Rider" and "Head" also bear the
Copeco/Zippo logo, despite being on Island.
 

Apr 90 SKELLINGTON (Copeco/Zippo, UK) (JC CD89)
Doomed / Beaver / Me and Jimmy Jones / Robert Mitchum / 
Out Of My Mind on Dope and Speed / Don't Crash Here /
Everything Playing at Once //
Little Donkey / Great White Wonder / Incredibly Ugly Girl /
No How, No Why, No Way, No Where, No When / Commin' Soon
 

Again, I think the date is wrong - my copy is (c) 1989, which is the
year given on the notes to "East Easy Rider".
 

Jun 90DROOLIAN (MoFoCo/Zippo, USA) (CD90)
Sqwubbsy / Look After Your Leathers / Unisex Cathedral / 
Commin' Down / Safe Surfer / Yeah Yeah Yeah / Jellypop Perky Jean //
When Will I Get to Hold You? / Louis 14th / "...Atonement of Wasp" /
Gentleman Dude / Kelly / Church of England 1991
 

No mention of Cope anywhere on this disc, other than his picture on 
the back cover.  The dog on the front cover is Smelvin.
 

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2D.ISLAND - SECOND PHASE
 

Jan 91Beautiful Love / Port Of Saints / Love LUV (Beautiful Love remix) (*) /
Unisex Cathedral (*) (from "Droolian") (7/12/CD)
 

Feb 91 Love LUV // Dragonfly 
Numbered pink vinyl 12" only.
 

Mar 91 PEGGY SUICIDE
Pristeen / Double Vegetation / East Easy Rider / Promised Land /
Hanging Out & Hung Up on the Line //
Safesurfer / If You Loved Me At All / Drive, She Said //
Soldier Blue / You... / Not Raving But Drowning / Head / Leperskin //
Beautiful Love / Uptight / Western Front 1992 CE / 
Hung Up & Hanging Out to Dry / The American Lite /
Las Vegas Basement
 

CD version misses one track - "Uptight" I think.
 

Mar 91 (?) Beautiful Love plus the Best of Julian Cope (PRCD 6664-2)
Beautiful Love / World Shut Your Mouth / Trampolene / Charlotte 
Anne / 5 O'Clock World / Love (LUV)
 

Promo only CD EP.
 

Apr 91 East Easy Rider / Butterfly E / Almost Alive (*) / 
Little Donkey (*) (from "Skellington") (7/12/CD)
 

Apr 91 Easty Risin' (East Easy Rider remix) // Ravebury Stones
Numbered blue vinyl 12" in a box with picture of Sqwubbsy and
a rant about civilisation.
 

Jul 91 Head / Straw Dogs / Anyway At All (*) / Bagged-out Ken (*) (7/12/CD)
 

Jul 91 Heed : Of Penetration and the City-Dweller (Head remix) //
Bring Cherhill Down (vocal) / Bring Cherhill Down (instrumental)
Numbered yellow vinyl 12" with picture of Avebury on the 
A-side, in a box.
 

Aug 92 FLOORED GENIUS - THE BEST OF JULIAN COPE AND THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
Reward / Treason / Sleeping Gas / Bouncing Babies / Passionate Friend /
The Great Dominions //
The Greatness and Perfection of Love / An Elegant Chaos / Sunspots /
Reynard the Fox //
World Shut Your Mouth / Trampolene / Spacehopper / Charlotte Anne /
China Doll //
Out Of My Mind on Dope and Speed / Jellypop Perky Jean / 
Beautiful Love / East Easy Rider / Safesurfer
 

The remix of "World Shut Your Mouth" was reissued with B-sides from
other Cope albums to promote this LP.
 

Oct 92 Fear Loves This Place / I Have Always Been Here Before (C) / 
Sizewell B (*) / Gogmagog (*) (7/12/CD)
 

Oct 92 Paleface / Nothing / Starry Eyes / Fear Loves This Place
Limited second CD to fit into the special box for the first CD.
"Fear..." is the same as the other single.
 

Oct 92  JEHOVAHKILL
Soul Desert / No Hard Shoulder to Cry On / Akhenaten /
Up-wards at 45 degrees / Know (Cut My Friend Down) //
Necropolis / Slow Rider / Gimme Back My Flag / Poet is Priest... /
Julian H. Cope //
The Subtle Energies Commission / Fa-fa-fa-fine / 
Fear Loves This Place / The Tower / Peggy Suicide is Missing
 

Initial copies came in a completely blue CD case.
 

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2E. K.A.K.
 

These albums are mail-order only.
 

Jan 93 RITE
The Indians Worship Him, But He Hurries On / Amethysteria /
Bringing Cherhill Down Part 1 / In Search of Ancient Astronomies
 

Four long instrumentals, intended for meditation use.
"Bringing Cherhill Down Part 1" is a Skinner/Cosby composition, 
the full title is only on the inside of the CD insert.
 

Jun 93 THE SKELLINGTON CHRONICLES
 

"Skellington" with a second LP of similar stuff (NOT "Droolian") 
on the same disc.  Haven't got my copy yet.
 

 
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3. BOOTLEGS
 

3A. THE TEARDROP EXPLODES 
 

January 30, 1982 at St. Stell Coliseum, Cornwall
 

Intro / Like Lela Khaled Said / Seven Views of Jerusalem / Ha Ha 
I'm Drowning / Falling Down Around Me / Log Cabin / ...And the 
Fighting Takes Over / Passionate Friend / Bouncing Babies / Books 
/ Tiny Children / You Disappear From View / Clementine / 
Suffocate / Treason / Colours Fly Away / Reward / Culture Bunker 
/ Screaming Secrets / Sleeping Gas
 

3B. JULIAN COPE
 

1987 Live at Westminster Hall (Island JCV 1 video)
 

Eve's Volcano / World Shut Your Mouth / Reynard The Fox
 

Island Records promo video?  There was a coupon of some kind for 
this in one of Cope's solo 12" records.
 

April 6, 1987 New York City (video)
 

Broadcast on MTV, I believe.  Sorry, I don't have a set list handy.



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Hello...
 

Terrific to see a list devoted to the Teardrop Explodes and 
Julian Cope.  I got into them, believe it or not, in 1980 when I 
was in college.  I was reviewing records for the school paper at 
the University of Illinois, and "Kilimanjaro" came in the mail 
(I've still got that promo, it came with an 8x10 glossy and a 
bio, which I'll type in).  I was knocked out, and have been 
almost ever since (I've kind of gone off Cope since around "Peggy 
Suicide").
 

I've updated the discography someone posted a few days ago, and 
I'd be happy to trade tapes of some of the things I've got 
(anything with a catalog number on the new version of the 
discography, and the boots).  
 

Has anybody further explored connections between Cope and Bill 
Drummond?  Where do things stand these days?  I recall a time 
when there was much acrimony (culminating in Drummond's "Julian 
Cope is Dead," an almost quaint Irish-style folk ditty on a solo 
album...I have the tape somewhere, and Cope's "Bill Drummond 
Said), but lately?  Interesting the directions both have gone in.
 

Here's the Mercury Records bio that came with "Kilimanjaro":
 

    The origins of the Teardrop Explodes and, in fact, the whole 
renaissance of Liverpool as a music force, date rather hazily 
back to 1977, when the Crucial Three were formed by Julian Cope, 
Ian McCulloch (now fronting Echo and the Bunnymen), and Pete 
Wiley, leader of the much vaunted Wah Heat.
 

    Julian had moved to Merseyside a year earlier from the 
Midlands, to study teacher training and drama at college.  These 
academic aspirations were rapidly cut short as a new band -- the 
embryonic The Teardrop Explodes -- began rehearsing.  A series of 
name and line-up changes ensued -- Mac and Pete Wiley left and 
were replaced by organist Paul Simpson, and guitarist Mike 
Finkler, and drummer Gary Dwyer joined for the group's debut gig 
at Eric's, Liverpool, in November '78.
 

    The name The Teardrop Explodes had been adopted by then -- 
taken from a DC comic.
 

    In December of that year, they recorded their first single 
"Sleeping Gas", for the then-recently formed Zoo label and it set 
the precedent for the kind of critical acclaim they've received 
ever since.  A second single was recorded in April -- "Bouncing 
Babies" -- both this and "Sleeping Gas" have been re-recorded for 
the group's debut album.
 

    In summer of '79 Paul Simpson departed and Dave Balfe, Zoo 
Co-Director, came in as stand-in keyboardist.  (Previously, he'd 
played with Big In Japan, and Dalek I).  A year later, and he is 
still standing in.  He and Bill Drummond, (the other Zoo 
Director), produced the Teardrops' debut album in Rockfield 
during the spring and summer of 1980.
 

    A third single had, meanwhile, appeared in February, produced 
by former Deaf School guitarist, Madness co-producer, Clive 
Langer.  "Treason" was made single of the week in virtually every 
music paper -- it still figures in the Independent Label Charts.
 

    By now, The Teardrop Explodes were at the forefront of the 
new movement of thoughtful, acclaimed rock, that critics are 
forever trying to label.  Most have resorted to that over-used 
term "psychedelic", though no-one can really define what groups 
like The Teardrop Explodes, Echo and the Bunnymen, Manchester's 
Joy Division, et al, are playing.
 

    More changes -- Mike Finkler, for various reasons, was asked 
to leave.  He was immediately replaced by Alan Gill, 
guitarist/keyboardist and vocalist with Dalek I Love You.  
Although Alan is now a full time member of The Teardrop Explodes, 
he will continue to be part of Dalek I.
 

    By now The Teardrop Explodes has signed to Phonogram in 
England.  With Alan fully ensconsed in the band and having 
debuted with them at Hurrah's in New York, part of the album was 
re-recorded with Alan through July 1980.  it was then decided to 
produce the "pop classic" version of "When I Dream" -- also 
included on the album.  Mike Howlett was called in to produced, 
and it became the Teardrop Explodes' first single for Phonogram -
- released on September 5th.  The album _Kilimanjaro_, followed a 
month later.
 

    In England, the critical ravings that bands like The Teardrop 
Explodes have always won has now been proved to be commercially 
viable as well -- with English chart success for both Joy 
Division and The Bunnymen.  The Teardrop Explodes brand of 
sophisticated pop -- for pop is still what they play -- has, if 
anything, even greater "commercial potential."
 

    In January, 1981, _Kilimanjaro_ was released on Mercury 
Records in the U.S.
 

 
That's it, that's all there is.
 

Cheers,
Sj
 




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"Julian Cope is Dead" / "Bill Drummond Said" - BD and JC have a curious 
relationship, and this song was not actually written as an insult - BD said 
in interviews at the time that if only JC had died at the end of the 
Teardrops, he would have been a huge cult figure instead of a minor cult 
figure.  Really it is about the way that people's reputations are increased 
dramatically if they die young.  At the time when these songs were written, 
JC & BD seemed to be pretty friendly.  JC's objections to BD nowadays seem 
to be because BD has chosen success and the music business, and JC has 
chosen integrity and doing things his own way.  Plus, of course, BD has 
been far more successful than JC recently - the whole 80s Liverpool scene 
was based on intense rivalry, with JC and McCulloch in particular taking an 
almost insane interest in each other's chart positions and sales figures.  
After the disbanding of the KLF, BD has announced his return in this week's 
NME.  I think JC sees BD as his evil twin brother - in the days when he 
managed the Teardrops, JC had all the wild schemes and BD supplied the 
organisation and discipline, but recently JC has been slagging BD off for 
lacking precisely those qualities. 


I have a book called "Liverpool Explodes!" which is a pretty good guide to
the early 80s Liverpool scene - I think my youngest brother has stolen it at
the moment.  The Crucial Three were only one of a number of so-called groups 
formed at the time, I think they got as far as writing a few songs and 
performing one gig before they split up - many of the groups at the time only
lasted as long as an afternoon in Eric's cafe.


I bought "Rite", and they sent me a card this week with an order form for
"The Skellington Chronicles" - there will be 13 new songs on the disc, I
had been hoping for a double "Skellington"/"Droolian" disc (which I wouldn't
have to buy), but new songs are even better!  The KAK address is a Post 
Office box - this means that mail may not reach anyone even vaguely connected
with JC, it may just be a packaging company putting the cheques in the bank
and sending out the discs, so you shouldn't send fan mail there.  Likewise,
sending mail to "Mr J. Cope, Avebury, England" is unlikely to get to him - the
PO are good, but not that good!

A couple of mistakes on the discography - "Pussyface" was only on the 12" of
"Greatness & Perfection" - at the time I was short of money, and didn't see
the point in paying extra for a remix of a song I already had, so that's why
I haven't heard it.  Also, the standing stones on the "Head" picture disc 
aren't at Avebury, I think they may be Maes Howe on Orkney.

I got into the Teardrops listening to Radio 1 in the late 70s/early 80s, they
were favourites of Richard Skinner and David Jensen, who did the mid-evening
"alternative but not as alternative as John Peel" show.  "24a Velocity 
Crescent" is from a session JC recorded for David Jensen, and I remember a
beautiful song called "I'm Not the Loving Kind" which the Teardrops recorded
for a session towards the end.  (For the uninitiated, Radio 1 operate a system
where bands go into a BBC studio for a day, and record a few songs).  
It wasn't until the end of their career that I bought the Teardrops albums, 
and that is why I only have a few of their singles.  I have been buying all
JC's solo stuff as it arrives.  I nearly saw the Teardrops live, but 
transport from Bristol back to my hometown was impossible (this was during 
the disastrous tour mentioned in the notes to "Floored Genius", so it is
probably as well that I didn't go).  I saw JC live at the start of the "Saint
Julian" tour, he did about 3 dates just before the album was released, 
starting at Leicester Uni.  Superb gig, featuring the infamous climbing frame
mike stand.




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