Tue Nov 1 11:53:46 EST 1994
From COMM_SJ@vax1.utulsa.edu Mon Oct 31 15:36:51 1994
Subject: Updated discography
Hi Travis:
Been tinkering with the discography, adding some things, etc., and this
is the latest I've got. If you wanna put it on the ftp site it's okay
by me...I'd like to see some additions as well (primarly Skellington II
track listing, some of the bootlegs, etc., and even descriptions of the
bootlegs would be nice).
Best,
Sj
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Again, many thanks to the person who typed in the original version of
this discography. I've added some items, mostly in the bootleg
section, to this version. Anyone want to reformat this?
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JULIAN COPE & THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
DISCOGRAPHY 1979-93
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Dates are from an NME (New Musical Express - UK music newspaper) discography,
and are suspect in some cases - many of the song names are also mis-spelt in
the NME. I have all the Cope solo stuff and some of the Teardrops stuff, so I
have checked it against that. I haven't bothered to list promos etc, which
are all tracks from albums/singles in any case.
7/10/12/CD refers to 7"/10"/12" vinyl and CD formats.
Extra tracks on 12" and/or CD are shown with an asterisk (*).
Cover versions are shown with a (C).
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1. THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
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1A. ZOO RECORDS
All the Zoo tracks are on the compilation "Piano", which is 32 minutes long
and mastered from the original vinyl, so it is pretty low quality.
These songs are all different versions to those on "Kilimanjaro"
Feb 79 Sleeping Gas // Camera, Camera / Kirkby Workers Dream Fades (7)
Jun 79 Bouncing Babies // All I Am Is Loving You (7)
Feb 80 Treason (It's Just a Story) // Read It In Books (7)
82 TO THE SHORES OF LAKE PLACID
Compilation album includes "When I Dream", "Camera, Camera" and
"Take a Chance" by The Teardrop Explodes, "Kwalo Klobinsky's Lullabye"
by Whopper, plus tracks by Big in Japan, Echo & the Bunnymen, Dalek I
Love You, and other Zoo artists. The Whopper track is Cope and Dwyer
plus a disjointed backing track, which includes the horns from "When
I Dream", and is on "Piano" with the proper Teardrops songs.
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1B. MERCURY
Sep 80 When I Dream // Kilimanjaro (7)
Oct 80 KILIMANJARO (PRICE 59 (UK); SRM-1-4016 (US, Jan 81); CD reissued
on Skyclad, LUCKY CD7)
Ha Ha I'm Drowning / Sleeping Gas / Treason / Second Head /
Reward / Poppies in the Field // Went Crazy / Brave Boys Keep
Their Promises / Bouncing Babies / Books / Thief of Baghdad /
When I Dream
Later reissued with "Reward" added (Mercury wanted this), and a new
cover with a photo of some zebras on it (Cope wanted this, possibly
because he had kicked several of the people on the old cover out of
the band). The cover on the modern reissues is the original.
On the inside sleeve, "Sleeping Gas" is subtitled "Kwalo Klobinsky's
Lullabye".
Jan 81 Reward // Strange House in the Snow (7) (TEAR 2)
Apr 81 Treason // Traison (C'est Juste Une Histoire) (*) / Use Me
(7/12) (TEAR 312)
Aug 81 Ha Ha I'm Drowning // Poppies (7)
Also a double single pack with
Books // Bouncing Babies (7) (TEAR 44)
Sep 81 Passionate Friend // Christ Vs. Warhol (7/12) (TEAR 5 (7"))
12" with extended version of B-side
Nov 81 Colours Fly Away // Window Shopping for a New Crown of Thorns /
East of the Equator (*) (7/12) TEAR 612 (12")
Nov 81 WILDER (PRICE 112 (UK); 6359-056 (US); SRM-1-4035 (US
reissue); CD reissued on Skyclad, CRAZY8CD))
Bent Out Of Shape / Colours Fly Away / Seven Views of Jerusalem /
Pure Joy / Falling Down Around Me / The Culture Bunker //
Passionate Friend / Tiny Children / Like Leila Khaled Said /
...And the Fighting Takes Over / The Great Dominions
Original cover was of flowers (as on the inside of "Floored Genius"),
modern reissues show Cope's face. [Note: song order differs on US
versions.]
Jun 82 Tiny Children // Rachel Built a Steamboat /
Sleeping Gas (live) (*) (7/12) (TEAR 712 (12"))
Feb 83You Disappear From View // Suffocate (7) (TEAR 88 (12"))
Also a double 7" single pack with "Baroque version" of
"Suffocate", and Soft Enough For You / The In-Psychlopaedia //
Ouch Monkeys (7) 12" same as the double 7", but "Suffocate" was
the "American version"
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1C. DOCUMENT
90 "The Zoo" -- Uncaged 1978-1982 (DCD1)
Compilation very much like (same as?) "To The Shores of Lake
Placid," has interesting, conciliatory liner notes from Bill
Drummond. Teardrop Explodes songs are:
Sleeping Gas // Bouncing Babies // Treason // Books
90 PIANO (DCD4)
Sleeping Gas // Camera, Camera // Krkby Workers Dream Fades //
Bouncing Babies // All I Am Is Loving You // Treason // Books //
Take A Chance // When I Dream // Kwalo Kobinsky's Lullaby
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1D. THE THIRD ALBUM
"Everybody Wants To Shag The Teardrop Explodes" was the title of the "never
released" first Zoo LP, the version of "When I Dream" on the Zoo compilation
is from this album. The title was used for a collection of late-period
Teardrops tracks, some from the aborted third album. All the A & B-sides from
this period are from Mercury albums.
Jan 90 Serious Danger // Sleeping Gas / Seven Views of Jerusalem (*) (7/12/CD)
Mar 90 EVERYBODY WANTS TO SHAG THE TEARDROP EXPLODES (Fontana 842 439-2)
Ouch Monkeys / Serious Danger / Metranil Vavin / Count to Ten and
Run for Cover / The In-Psychlopaedia / Soft Enough For You //
You Disappear From View (1) / The Challenger / Not My Only Friend
/ Sex (Pussyface) / Terrorist / Strange House in the Snow
Apr 90 Count to Ten and Run For Cover // Reward / Poppies (*) /
Like Leila Khaled Said (*) (7/12/CD)
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2. JULIAN COPE SOLO
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2A. MERCURY
The remixes are not very different from the album versions (I haven't heard
the remix of "Pussyface" though).
Nov 83 Sunshine Playroom / Hey High Class Butcher // Wreck My Car
(*) / Eat The Poor (*) (7/12) (COPE 112)
"Eat the Poor" features an early version of "Land of Fear" at the end.
Feb 84 WORLD SHUT YOUR MOUTH (818-365-2 CD)
Bandy's First Jump / Metranil Vavin / Strasbourg / Elegant Chaos
/ Quizmaster / Kolly Kibber's Birthday // Sunshine Playroom /
Head Hang Low / Pussyface / Greatness & Perfection / Lunatic and
Fire-pistol
Mar 84 The Greatness and Perfection of Love (remix) //
24a Velocity Crescent / Pussyface (remix) (7/12) (MERX 155)
Sep 84 Competition / Belief in Him (7)
This is labelled as being by "Rabbi Joseph Gordan", on Bam
Caruso records. Copey was given an antique toy car as payment
for it.
Nov 84 FRIED (822-832-2 CD)
Reynard the Fox / Bill Drummond Said / Laughing Boy / Me Singing
/ Sunspots // The Bloody Assizes / Search Party / O King of Chaos
/ Holy Love / Torpedo
Feb 85 Sunspots (remix) // I Went on a Chourney (7) (MER 1822)
Initial copies as a double single pack with
Mik Mak Mok // Land of Fear (7)
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2B.ISLAND - FIRST PHASE
Remixes are generally very different from the album versions.
Sep 86 World Shut Your Mouth / I've Got Levitation (C*) //
Umpteenth Unnatural Blues / Non-Alignment Pact (C*) /
Transporting (*) (7/12) (12 IS 290 (12"))
Oct 86 WSYM (long) // Levitation (C) / WSYM (short) (12) (12 IX 290)
Julian Cope vs. Trouble Funk - remixes of "WSYM",
"Levitation" is the same as on the normal single.
Jan 87 Trampolene / Disaster (7) (ISG 305; double single w/ T/D
on both records...or else mine is screwed up)
Jan 87 Trampolene / Disaster //
Mock Turtle (*) / Warwick the Kingmaker (*) (7/12) (ISW 305 (7",
comes w/poster); 12 IS 305 (12"))
Jan 87 Trampolene (Warne Out Mix) // Trampolene / Disaster (12) (12 ISX 305)
Mar 87 ST. JULIAN (CID 9861 CD)
Trampolene / Shot Down / Eve's Volcano / Spacehopper / Planet Ride //
World Shut Your Mouth / St. Julian / Pulsar / Screaming Secrets /
A Crack in the Clouds
Mar 87 Eve's Volcano (Covered in Sin) (remix) /
Almost Beautiful Child I & II // Pulsar NX (live) (*) /
Shot Down (live) (*) (7/12)
Also a CD with "Spacehopper - annexe" (CID 318)
Apr 87 Eve's Volcano (Covered in Sin) !Vulcano Lungo! (another remix)//
Spacehopper - annexe / Almost Beautiful Child I & II (12) (12 ISX 318)
Sep 88 Charlotte Anne / Books / A Question of Temperature (C*) //
Christmas Mourning / (*) (7/12/CD) (12 IS 380)
"Books" is a re-recording of the old Teardrops/Bunnymen
classic. 12" came as a picture disc.
Jul 88 MY NATION UNDERGROUND (7-91025-2 CD)
5 O'Clock World (C) / Vegetation / Charlotte Anne /
My Nation Underground //
China Doll / Someone Like Me (C) / Easter Everywhere /
I'm Not Losing Sleep / The Great White Hoax
The date is certainly wrong for this - it was released after
"Charlotte Anne", but before Christmas.
Jan 89 5 O'Clock World (C) // SPQR / Reynard in Tokio (live) (*) (7/12/CD)
(12 IS 399)
Jan 89 5 O'Clock World // SPQR / WSYM (Trouble Funk mix) (10)
Jun 89 China Doll / Delsi (*) // Crazy Farm Animal / Rail On (*) (7/10/12/CD)
(10ISP 406-A picture disc 10")
89 Copeulation (video)
Reward / Colours Fly Away / Treason / Sleeping Gas / Greatness and Perfection
of Love / Laughing Boy / Reynard the Fox / World Shut Your Mouth /
Trampolene / Eve's Volcano / Charlotte Anne / 5 O'Clock World /
China Doll / Spacehopper
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2C. THE MYSTERY ALBUMS
There have been various rumours about these - both were obviously recorded
quickly, and are about half an hour long. "Skellington" features Cope, Skinner
& Cosby, and was recorded by Hugo Nicolson who worked on "My Nation
Underground" and all of Cope's subsequent albums. This suggests it was not
recorded during the breakup of the Teardrops, or immediately after "Fried"
(two of the more popular claims), though many of the songs date from that
period or before. "Robert Mitchum", like "Books" and "Spacehopper" is a
Cope/McCulloch composition, dating from their time in The Crucial Three with
Pete Wylie of Wah!, long before any of them were famous.
The best guess is that "Skellington" was the follow-up to "My Nation
Underground", which Island rejected, and that "Droolian" is a collection of
demos, out-takes and messing around. "Droolian" was allegedly only released
in Texas, but I suspect this (like the claim that "Skellington" was recorded
before "St Julian") was a way of getting round Cope's contract with Island.
The boxes for the remixes of "East Easy Rider" and "Head" also bear the
Copeco/Zippo logo, despite being on Island.
Apr 90 SKELLINGTON (Copeco/Zippo, UK) (JC CD89)
Doomed / Beaver / Me and Jimmy Jones / Robert Mitchum /
Out Of My Mind on Dope and Speed / Don't Crash Here /
Everything Playing at Once //
Little Donkey / Great White Wonder / Incredibly Ugly Girl /
No How, No Why, No Way, No Where, No When / Commin' Soon
Again, I think the date is wrong - my copy is (c) 1989, which is the
year given on the notes to "East Easy Rider".
Jun 90 DROOLIAN (MoFoCo/Zippo, USA) (CD90)
Sqwubbsy / Look After Your Leathers / Unisex Cathedral /
Commin' Down / Safe Surfer / Yeah Yeah Yeah / Jellypop Perky Jean //
When Will I Get to Hold You? / Louis 14th / "...Atonement of Wasp" /
Gentleman Dude / Kelly / Church of England 1991
No mention of Cope anywhere on this disc, other than his picture on
the back cover. The dog on the front cover is Smelvin.
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2D.ISLAND - SECOND PHASE
Jan 91Beautiful Love / Port Of Saints / Love LUV (Beautiful Love remix) (*) /
Unisex Cathedral (*) (from "Droolian") (7/12/CD)
Feb 91 Love LUV // Dragonfly
Numbered pink vinyl 12" only.
Mar 91 PEGGY SUICIDE
Pristeen / Double Vegetation / East Easy Rider / Promised Land /
Hanging Out & Hung Up on the Line //
Safesurfer / If You Loved Me At All / Drive, She Said //
Soldier Blue / You... / Not Raving But Drowning / Head / Leperskin //
Beautiful Love / Uptight / Western Front 1992 CE /
Hung Up & Hanging Out to Dry / The American Lite /
Las Vegas Basement
CD version misses one track - "Uptight" I think.
Mar 91 (?) Beautiful Love plus the Best of Julian Cope (PRCD 6664-2)
Beautiful Love / World Shut Your Mouth / Trampolene / Charlotte
Anne / 5 O'Clock World / Love (LUV)
Promo only CD EP.
Apr 91 East Easy Rider / Butterfly E / Almost Alive (*) /
Little Donkey (*) (from "Skellington") (7/12/CD)
Apr 91 Easty Risin' (East Easy Rider remix) // Ravebury Stones
Numbered blue vinyl 12" in a box with picture of Sqwubbsy and
a rant about civilisation.
Jul 91 Head / Straw Dogs / Anyway At All (*) / Bagged-out Ken (*) (7/12/CD)
Jul 91 Heed : Of Penetration and the City-Dweller (Head remix) //
Bring Cherhill Down (vocal) / Bring Cherhill Down (instrumental)
Numbered yellow vinyl 12" with picture of Avebury on the
A-side, in a box.
Aug 92 FLOORED GENIUS - THE BEST OF JULIAN COPE AND THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
Reward / Treason / Sleeping Gas / Bouncing Babies / Passionate Friend /
The Great Dominions //
The Greatness and Perfection of Love / An Elegant Chaos / Sunspots /
Reynard the Fox //
World Shut Your Mouth / Trampolene / Spacehopper / Charlotte Anne /
China Doll //
Out Of My Mind on Dope and Speed / Jellypop Perky Jean /
Beautiful Love / East Easy Rider / Safesurfer
The remix of "World Shut Your Mouth" was reissued with B-sides from
other Cope albums to promote this LP.
Oct 92 Fear Loves This Place / I Have Always Been Here Before (C) /
Sizewell B (*) / Gogmagog (*) (7/12/CD)
Oct 92 Paleface / Nothing / Starry Eyes / Fear Loves This Place
Limited second CD to fit into the special box for the first CD.
"Fear..." is the same as the other single.
Oct 92 JEHOVAHKILL
Soul Desert / No Hard Shoulder to Cry On / Akhenaten /
Up-wards at 45 degrees / Know (Cut My Friend Down) //
Necropolis / Slow Rider / Gimme Back My Flag / Poet is Priest... /
Julian H. Cope //
The Subtle Energies Commission / Fa-fa-fa-fine /
Fear Loves This Place / The Tower / Peggy Suicide is Missing
Initial copies came in a completely blue CD case.
Apr94 FLOORED GENIUS 2 (Best of the BBC Sessions 1983-91) (released by
Nightracks / Dutch East India)
Peel 2/5/83
The Greatness and Perfection of Love
Head Hang Low
Hey High Class Butcher
Peel 5/29/84
Sunspots
Me Singing
Hobby
Jensen 1/5/84
24a Velocity Crescent
Laughing Boy
O King of Chaos
Reynard the Fox
Long 12/12/84
Pulsar
Crazy Farm Animal
Christmas Mourning
Long 8/6/86
Plnaet Rider: Transmitting
Peel 4/11/91
Soul Medley:
I. Free Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow
II. Everything Playing at Once
III. Are You Hung Up?
IV. Hung Up and Hanging Out to Dry
You Think It's Love
Skinner 6/17/89
Double Vegetation
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2E. K.A.K.
These albums are mail-order only.
Jan 93 RITE
The Indians Worship Him, But He Hurries On / Amethysteria /
Bringing Cherhill Down Part 1 / In Search of Ancient Astronomies
Four long instrumentals, intended for meditation use.
"Bringing Cherhill Down Part 1" is a Skinner/Cosby composition,
the full title is only on the inside of the CD insert.
Jun 93 THE SKELLINGTON CHRONICLES
"Skellington" with a second LP of similar stuff (NOT "Droolian")
on the same disc. Haven't got my copy yet.
ANYONE HAVE A TRACK LISTING FOR SKELLINGTON II??????
Aug 94 AUTOGEDDON
Autogeddon Blues
Madmax
Don't Call Me Mark Chapman
I Gotta Walk
Ain't No Gettin' Round Gettin' Round
Paranormal in the West Country (Medley)
A. Paranormal Pt. 1
B. Archdrude's Roadtrip
C. Kar-Ma-Kanik
Ain't But the One Way
S.T.A.R.C.A.R.
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3. BOOTLEGS
3A. THE TEARDROP EXPLODES
September 16, 1979, Eric's, Liverpool
Second Head / Brave Boys / Sleeping Gas / Take A Chance / Ha Ha I'm
Drowning / Books / Straight Reins / Camera Camera / Went Crazy /
Bouncing Babies / Save Me
March 12, 1981, Club Zoo, Liverpool
Tiny Children / Falling Down Around Me / And the Fighting Takes Over /
Seven Views of Jerusalem / Suffocate / Treason / Passionate Friend /
Just Like Leila Khaled Said / Bouncing Babies / Pure Joy / Colours Fly
Away / You Disappear From View / Ha Ha I'm Drowning
June 5, 1981, Guildford Music Hall, BBC "In Concert"
Thief of Baghdad / Sleeping Gas / Passionate Friend / Just Like Leila
Khaled Said / Suffocate / The Culture Bunker / Poppies in the Field /
Went Crazy / Screaming Secrets / When I Dream / The Great Dominions /
Treason
January 30, 1982 at St. Stell Coliseum, Cornwall
Intro / Like Lela Khaled Said / Seven Views of Jerusalem / Ha Ha
I'm Drowning / Falling Down Around Me / Log Cabin / ...And the
Fighting Takes Over / Passionate Friend / Bouncing Babies / Books
/ Tiny Children / You Disappear From View / Clementine /
Suffocate / Treason / Colours Fly Away / Reward / Culture Bunker
/ Screaming Secrets / Sleeping Gas
April 24, 1982, Paradise, Boston
Like Leila Khaled Said / Seven Views of Jerusalem / Ha Ha I'm Drowning
/ Falling Down Around Me / And Then The Fighting Takes Over /
Passionate Friend / Bouncing Babies / Suffocate / Tiny Children / You
Disappear From View / Books / Treason / Colours Fly Away / Reward /
The Culture Bunker
*Teardrop Explodes Radio Sessions*
John Peel Oct. 1979
Take A Chance
Brave Boys
Went Crazy
Ha Ha I'm Drowning
John Peel December 22, 1981
Pussyface
Challenger
Soft Enough For You
John Peel May 1981
Better Scream
Bent Out of Shape
And Then The Fighting Takes Over
Granada TV February 18, 1979
Camera Camera
Bootlegs I don't have but which I'm fairly certain exist:
Left Bank, 3/7/81
YMCA, London, 8/2/79
Eric's, Liverpool, 12/22/79
Club Zoo, Liverpool, 11/11/81
Starship, Milwaukee, 5/20/81
Whiskey, LA, 5/9/81
Riverside BBC TV Studio, 4/82
Cedar Club, Birmingham, 11/13/80
BBC TV "Whistle Test" 11/19/85
3B. JULIAN COPE
"St. Julian" Demos (1985-86)
Disaster
Flipped Out
Screaming Secrets
Pulsar
All Shot Down
St. Julian
Eve's Volcano
A Crack in the Clouds
World Shut Your Mouth
1987 Live at Westminster Hall (Island JCV 1 video)
Eve's Volcano / World Shut Your Mouth / Reynard The Fox
Island Records promo video? There was a coupon of some kind for
this in one of Cope's solo 12" records.
April 6, 1987 New York City, Ritz (video)
Trampolene
Pulsar
Eve's Volcano
Strasbourg
St. Julian
Sunspots (long version)
Non-Alignment Pacts
Bouncing Babies
Greatness & Perfection of Love (long)
Brandy's First Jump
Shot Down
Spacehopper
World Shut Your Mouth (long intro)
I've Got Levitation (long)
October 30, 1988, La Cigalle, Paris
China Doll
Sunspots
My Nation Underground
Books
Shot Down
Trampolene
Spacehopper
World Shut Your Mouth
BBC "In Concert" June, 1991 (Location??)
Double Vegetation
East Easy Rider
Bill Drummond Said
Passionate Friend
Out of my Mind on Dope and Speed
You Disappear From View
World Shut Your Mouth
Spacehopper
Portree, July 1992
Soul Desert
Double Vegetation
Know
Saint Julian
Bill Drummond Said
Trampolene
Julian Cope Demos
Flipped Out on LSD
Serious Danger
Pussyface
Holy Love
Bill Drummond Said
Mik Mak Mok
The Bloody Assizes
Count To Ten
Not My Only Friend
Log Cabin
Strasbourg
Death Mask
The Tunnel
Challenger
Suffocate
Tiny Children
The Butcher's Tale
Head Hang Low
Blaze Star
The Culture Bunker
Great Dominions
*Julian Cope Radio Sessions*
John Peel/Feb. 1983
Head Hang Low
Lunatic and Fire-Pistol
Hey High Class Butcher
Greatness and Perfection
David Jensen/Jan. 1994
O King of Chaos
Reynard the Fox
24a Velocity Crescent
Laughing Boy
John Peel/June 1984
Me Singing
Sunspots
Search Party
Hobby
Janice Long/Dec. 31 1984
Disaster
Pulsar
Crazy Farm Animal
Christmas Mourning
Janice Long/Sept. 1986
Shot Down
World Shut Your Mouth
Eve's Volcano
Planet Rider
Bootlegs I don't have but which I'm fairly certain exist:
Hammersmith Palais, 3/25/84
Hacienda, Manchester, 3/22/84
Hibiya Music Hall, Japan, 7/27/85
Radio Merseyside, 86
Town & Country, London 1/15/93
Astoria, London, 11/86
Boston Arms, London, 8/14/86
Wolfgangs, SF, 2/20/87
Sydney, 5/19/86
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From eemsho77@Calvin.EDU Mon Oct 31 19:42:21 1994
> I'm looking to fill out my collection. If anyone knows some shops selling the
> following, I'd like to know:
>> Sunshine Playroom / Hey High Class Butcher / Wreck My Car / Eat The Poor
>> Charlotte Anne / A Question of Temperature / Christmas Mourning / Books
>> DROOLIAN
>> Easty Risin' (East Easy Rider remix) / Ravebury Stones
>> Heed : Of Penetration and the City-Dweller (Head remix) / Bring Cherhill Down
>(vocal) / Bring Cherhill Down (instrumental)
>> Fear Loves This Place / I Have Always Been Here Before /Sizewell B / Gogmagog
>> Paleface / Nothing / Starry Eyes / Fear Loves This Place
I know of a shop selling the Charlotte Anne, Easty Risin', and Fear Loves
this Place.
I Could possibly help you out in obtaining them, or the place is Vinyl
Solution in Grand Rapids, MI, 241-4040. They are a great source for hard
to find tapes, lps, and CDs, and imports. They special order, and
possibly ship as well.
They have a lot of J Cope lps, CDs and singles in stock.
> Also, I saw in the archive a mention of a Chameleons list. Where is that, and
> is there an archive?
paradiso.umuc.edu
(anonymous ftp)
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From: 74344.1744@compuserve.com
Date: Tue Nov 1 08:39:18 1994
Some trivia:
1) I read that Nova Mob (Grant Hart's, formerly of Husker Du, most recent band)
got the name from an early band featuring Julian, Ian MacCollough and Pete
Wylie. I think they took the name from the book Nova Express by William
Burroughs.
2) There is the Courtney Love / Julian connection. Hole, Courtney's band,
plays Seven Seas occasionally in concert. She refers to Hole as a decent New
Wave band. Kurt Cobain, in the liner notes to Incesticide refers to Julian
Cope's idea that old copies of NME are stuffed in the bottom of the deep fry
vats in the Kabob shops in London. Kurt also goes to refer to Nirvana as a New
Wave band - and on Incesticide does covers of Vaseline songs and a Devo song.
I'll transcribe the section about Julian when I have the CD in front of me.
3) I first got into Julian when I was going to university in Vermont and heard
the song World Shut Your Mouth. I went straight out and bought the cd. I
picked up some of the older material when I could. I was disappointed in My
Nation Underground. Later, I was living abroad (in Finland) and met up with a
British guy who was a major Cope-head. He was excited about Peggy Suicide, so I
picked up a copy and got back on the Julian bandwagon. I have been quite
fortunate living in NY because I have been able to pick-up some used singles
very cheaply.
That's it for now,
John
Tue Nov 1 12:06:55 EST 1994
Okay, there are some addresses (maybe 6) that have been bumming out the
last few weeks, but I have been too busy to delete them from the list. Today
I will do so, after this post. If you do not receive any posts within
the next week or so, email me; maybe the messages were getting to you
after all.
Trav
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Wed Nov 2 13:50:51 EST 1994
From: "A.J. Norman" <nja@leicester.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:25:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Cope album?
There has been an ad in the back pages of the NME for the last three
weeks including an album called "Queen Victoria" by Julian Cope. Does
anyone know anything about this? It's one of those companies that
habitually advertises stuff weeks before it is actually released, so
I doubt if it is available now, but could this be the first sign of
Island's "Best of the B-sides" compilation?
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk |
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From: Edward S. Arthur <arthur@wrksys.enet.dec.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 12:09:37 EST
What is the Courtney-Cope connection again?
/Ed
Fri Nov 4 11:10:55 EST 1994
From: COMM_SJ@vax1.utulsa.edu
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 9:33:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Cope, Walker...and Connelly
Just thought y'all might be interested...this is from the October 26, 1994
issue (vol. 1, no. 3) of iMpulse, a listserv/magazine from Warner Bros. It's
from an interview with Chris Connelly (Ministry, etc.) about the release of
his new album:
'....Asked if Julian Cope (formerly of the Teardrop Explodes) is a conscious
influence on his sometimes moody, asymmetrical music, Connelly only offers
that both he and Cope are highly influenced by the reclusive British rocker
(and Ohio native) Scott Walker.
"The Walker Brothers were England's version of the Righteous Brothers, but
they were as big as the Beatles," he says. "Now Scott Walker does an album
every 10 years or so, but they're brilliant."'
Mon Nov 7 11:10:55 EST 1994
From: my life is the disease <"dec:.olo.warnut::fiddlerm"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:11:13 MET
I got this one!!!
yahahahah!!!
Anyone know anythign about the Queen Elizabeth lp?
m
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From: ILK <aaronilk@netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:58:48 -0800 (PST)
> There has been an ad in the back pages of the NME for the last three
> weeks including an album called "Queen Victoria" by Julian Cope. Does
> anyone know anything about this? It's one of those companies that
> habitually advertises stuff weeks before it is actually released, so
> I doubt if it is available now, but could this be the first sign of
> Island's "Best of the B-sides" compilation?
Well, I just ordered it yesterday. Let's keep our fingers
crossed!! Krout rock perhaps?(spell) Hmmm. I'm pretty sure the
b-sides CD has a different name.
P.S. - Anyone form a new opinion on "AUTOGEDDON" since
it's had time to "breathe"?
aaron..
Wed Nov 9 11:40:37 EST 1994
From: scm@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Murray)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:39:00 GMT
Subject: VOX December Issue.
The December issue of VOX magazine has a free tape on it this month. Second
track on side one is Julian Cope, I Gotta Walk. (2.33)
This version is different from the album version but as far as I can tell
after two listenings, the difference seems to be extra weird 70's type
(can/faust) elctronic warbling noises in the background. One of them cuts
straight down your spine if you play it loud enough. Vocals are the same.
Thought people might like to know.
The other thing of note is that the song is licensed to Echo/Chrysalis
records. It seems that Echo is a subsidary of Chrysalis. Also on the tape are
tracks from Oasis, Echobelly, Portishead, Manic Street Preachers, Prodigy,
Dep. Mode, The Cranberries and about 6 more (some dodgy like Erasure for c's
sake).
Shaun. /\ (+44)(0)635 565219. scm@mfltd.co.uk /\ o__
Micro Focus, 26 West St. Newbury, Berks, RG13 1JT/\ / \/\ _.>/ _
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From: mang@bobo.csustan.edu (Fritz Lang)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 15:31:52 -0800
Subject: Prehistoric London
As an avid JC fan i've been following his rantings about druidism, etc.
i've finally come across a book which details all that stuff so that the next
time i'm in England i'll has the proper historical references down pat.
Prehistoric London: It's Mounds & Circles by E. O. Gordon.
originally published in 1914 and reprinted in 1985 by Artisan Sales.
ISBN # 0-934666-16-4, $7.00
I got my copy form a bookstore in Mokelumne Hill, Lilly Books (209) 632-8830.
I have not had the time to read the whole thing, yet. But the table of contents
is fascinating (Welsh Triads, connections to Troy/Romans, appendix with lay line
etc.)
f.y.i.
Mr. Happy
Thu Nov 10 11:25:07 EST 1994
From: ILK <aaronilk@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:28:24 -0800 (PST)
I was wondering if there is interest in my sending the
interview with JC from an old issue of Fortean Times, a journal
of the bizzare, to the group. I dont mind typing it in.
aaron...
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From: silva@pc110.ccrc.uga.edu
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 94 17:26:47
> P.S. Anyone form a new opinion on "AUTOGEDDON" since it's had time to "breathe"?
YeaH, I still think most of it holds up fairly well.
I'm anxious to hear the K. Rock stuff though. More anxious
to see Julian play actually..but I talked to American
recently and his publicist says they won't release
anything by him now until spring, so there will probably
be no US appearances until then.
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JoE Silva
Carbohydrate Center, Univ of GA
220 Riverbend Rd
Athens, GA
(706) 542 - 4452
4412 (FAX)
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From: "A.J. Norman" <nja@leicester.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:10:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: NEW ALBUM!!!
Got another one of those cards from Copey yesterday, and here's the
news:
1) The Scottish section of "The Modern Antiquarian" is finished.
2) He's writing a book called "Krautrocksampler" about Can, Neu, Faust
etc, for publication late next Spring.
3) New album "Queen Elizabeth" is out on Monday. Just Copey and
Thighpaulsandra (who is this?), a sprawling epic to be released on
Prince Charles's birthday, taking the name of the head of the
monarchy because she doesn't deserve it any more. Peel the sticker
off the front, fix it inside a *used* envelope, and KAK will send you
a single with three new versions of "Paranormal in the West Country"
(for the first three weeks after release only). Has to be a used
envelope, not a new one.
Is Thighpaulsandra his wife, Skinner, or another one of those Cope
alter-egos?
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk |
Thu Nov 10 12:15:24 EST 1994
From: silva@pc110.ccrc.uga.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:44:21
>I was wondering if there is interest in my sending the
>interview with JC from an old issue of Fortean Times,
Yeah that would be CooL...
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JoE Silva
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From: "A.J. Norman" <nja@leicester.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:26:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM!!!
I'm a bit reluctant to buy CDs for people, but by coincidence I have
just gathered a list of mail-order places for people on the 4AD list:
Adrians, 36/38 High St, Wickford, Essex, SS12 9AZ
Tel: 0268 733318/733319/733320
Fax: 0268 764507
Action Records, Mail Order dept, 47 Church St, Preston, Lancs LR1 3DH
Tel: 0772 884772
Fax: 0772 204402 (night-time, i.e. afternoon/early evening in the USA)
Vinyl Experience, 18 Hathaway St, London W1P 9DD
Tel: 071 636 1281
Fax: 071 636 0738
Sister Ray, 94 Berwick St, London W1V 3PP
Tel: 071 287 8365
Fax: 071 287 1087
Standard prices are #4 (4 pounds UK) for CD or 12" singles, between
#11 and #13 for CD albums, #7-#9 for vinyl albums. P&P varies, but
#3-4 for the first CD (outside Europe) and #1-2 for each subsequent CD
seems to be standard. I have ordered from Adrians, and someone else on
the 4AD list has had nothing but good words for Sister Ray, who also
appear to be cheaper than the others. Bear in mind that the US is about
4-6 hours behind the UK (I think), so early morning in the USA
corresponds to about midday in the UK. All these places take credit
cards (Access/Visa), and may take other payment methods as well.
I think the phone numbers should have the initial zero removed, and
whatever the US code for the UK is, added.
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk |
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Hello, Copers!
First of all... A NEW ALBUM?!? Wham, bam, it's out! No notice of
"Queen Victoria" on the new-releases bulletin. Maybe is Cope's new
ambush tactics. Anyway, I prefer getting surprised like this to that
agonizing wait for AUTOGEDDON.
I posted Andrew's mail order list (from NME), where we can hopefully
snag "Queen Victoria" without much hassle. By the way, some of us DON'T
have credit cards, and kind of have to rely on those of you in Britain to
buy CDs for us, which I know is a big inconvenience to some of you. So,
if anyone there in Britain is willing to buy a CD (or 2 or 3...) for an
American, Canadian, German or Australian (any other countries represented
here?) please let the list know.
Thanks.
Secondly, how are the Cope covers going? I confess to leaving mine in the
dark for the past couple of weeks. I assume everyone's life is mega-busy
right now (crunch time). Anyway, I said the deadline was going to be flexible,
so, how about end of November? Is that enough time? I haven't gotten any
responses about this lately, but i assume interest is still there...
Lastly, I'd like to hear some input regarding this list. Content, format,
whatever. I said I'd try to limit the header sizes, for one thing. Is there
anything else you would like to see changed? Do you want the list to be more
digested? More immediate? (I think we went over this last semester...)
Anyway, your feedback would be nice.
Take care everybody,
Travis
p.s. everyone cross our fingers that "Queen Victoria" isn't delayed... :)
[Queen Elizabeth, not Queen Victoria -- Trav]
Fri Nov 11 11:30:04 EST 1994
From: my life is the disease <"dec:.olo.warnut::fiddlerm"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 10:07:49 MET
HI (hope this is getting out to the list...). Just got my Copey
postcard, but half of the message has been obscured - could someone explain
what I have to do to get the freebie CD? AFter buying the new LP in
shops next week, I take the sticker, put it inside a used envelope
(why used), then put the used envelope into a normal envelope, address it
to KAK, and off I go....? There was mention onthe card of new Cope T shirts
avail from KAK also, but nothing about design or cost.
Sorry this is vague - my card was a real mess when it turned up.
rock n roll, eh?
mikef
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From: David Churcher <DAVEC@wsti.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:23:06 GMT0BST
> I'm a bit reluctant to buy CDs for people, but by coincidence I have
> just gathered a list of mail-order places for people on the 4AD
> list:
There's also a UK Internet service which I've used before for CDs:
pastel@exnet.co.uk
Send "help" to this address for pricing and ordering info. They sell
CDs for around UKP11 including P&P within the UK (around UKP2 P&P
elsewhere).
I think they only take credit cards for international orders but you
may be able to come to some arrangement.
> Secondly, how are the Cope covers going? I confess to leaving
> mine in the dark for the past couple of weeks. I assume everyone's
> life is mega-busy right now (crunch time). Anyway, I said the
> deadline was going to be flexible, so, how about end of November?
> Is that enough time? I haven't gotten any responses about this
> lately, but i assume interest is still there...
Mine's going extremely badly, I definitely wouldn't have it finished
by the end of November (pressure of work, etc.) but I wouldn't hold
up the tape on my account. :-)
> Is there anything else you would like to see changed? Do you want
> the list to be more digested? More immediate? (I think we went
> over this last semester...)
No, I kind of like it the way it is. :-)
Regards,
Dave.
--
David Churcher <davec@wsti.demon.co.uk>
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I called one of the mail order places Andrew listed this morning
(Albion? <-- the first one on the list) and they said they have
no record of a Cope album being released next week (monday). They
said to call back in a couple of weeks.
Hmm, this isn't good, if there is indeed a 3 week deadline to get
the bonus disk (with the sticker and all).
I'm trying pastel@exnet.co.uk as we speak... So far, no response
from them. I will keep you updated (my mail light will turn black as
soon as I get mail).
Hmmm... regarding covers, don't fret too much, Dave - no one has sent
me music yet, and like I said, I haven't finished yet (it usually takes
me 1 or 2 days to write, record, mix and master a song, and since I don't
have to write this baby, I only need like half a day or so to finish
"sleeping gas" off). So there IS no tape to hold up, so far. I will
be absolutely tickled to hear these covers. :) Maybe over Xmas break
we'll have a lot more time???
OKay, still no response from pastel. I'm gonna assume it either isn't
automated, or is just really, really slow today. So, I'll post this,
and keep you informed of any info I get.
Well, let's see what the deal is on Monday. If some of you Londoners
can ring up those mail order places (local call for you guys?) to
see what's up, that would be great.
Also, if you just happen to be in the store on Monday, and they just
happen to have QV in stock, and you HAPPEN to have the extra $$$, and
just happen to buy an extra CD or two, I'm sure you'll be able to sell
one to one of us for a good deal. Great way to earn a couple dollars
(or pounds) and make someone overseas very, very happy. :)
Trav
Sat Nov 12 14:35:58 EST 1994
From: Eve Emshoff <eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 22:26:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New JC CD
WOW!
I'm really excited that JC has a new album coming out.
But is it the case that it will only be release in the UK? What's the
story on this?
If that's the case, I want it badly. Can anyone out there help me in
aquiring it? Short of traveling there myself, of course.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!
THANKS,
Eve
eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU
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I finally got a response from my "help"
request to pastel. I just now sent a
"send charts" request (I hope that's the
right command). Hopefully tomorrow I'll
know if the new album is available via
pastel.
Travis
Mon Nov 14 11:15:41 EST 1994
From: Jerry Cornelius <bfrrelly@alf2.tcd.ie>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:12:36 +0000 (GMT)
According to a flier I got from the fan club the album is called
Queen Elisabeth, apparently because he feels the monarchy do not
deserve the title anymore. Also, if you remove a sticker with "BUY"
written on it from the cover of the album and send it to KAK within t
the three weeks starting from today Nov 14th, they will send you
a free CD with three versions of that song from Autogeddon whose name
momentarily escapes me!! ( the one recorded in the longbarrow!)
Brian.
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From: Andrew Bond <ajb@praxis.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:02:59 GMT
Subject: Queen Elizabeth
Just got Queen Elizabeth from my local record shop. They didn't have a
clue who it was by until I asked for it and only had one copy.
The Buy sticker is just a little red sticker with the word Buy! written
on it. I'll be sending it with my used envelope today !
I got it on vinyl, which appears to be a limited addition. Julian has
added a "Technical Note" to the cover in the form of a sticker which
explains that the album is long and therefore sound quality is dodgy.
Queen Elizabeth is "2 spontaneous concertos for space & time". These are:
Part 1 superstar 34.00
Part 2 avebury: the arranged marriage of heaven and earth 31.30
The cover features thighpaulsandra. It's an awful photo, but it could be
Rooster Cosby. Donald Ross Skinner is credited with percussion and
e.keyboard. A certain marcel p-rooster is credited with superstart
vibrations which may well blow my theory about the identity of
thighpaulsandra.
Julians on-sleeve babblings have been limited to "Destroy the Monarchy -
Take out the Trash".
I'll be listening to the album tonight so expect a review real soon.
Andrew
--
Andrew Bond -- All opinions and mistakes are mine, not Praxis' --
email: ajb@praxis.co.uk /////// Praxis Systems plc
voice: +44-225-444700 /////// 20 Manvers Street
fax: +44-225-465205 /////// Bath, UK, BA1 1PX
Mon Nov 14 15:07:51 EST 1994
From: scm@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Murray)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 17:46:51 GMT
Subject: Queen Elizabeth
Just bought it but not listened to it yet. Our local 'Our Price' didn't have
iton the new releases stand but the guy behind the counter knew about it.
The only minus point being that they wanted 14.99 for it on CD! Luckily, I'd
been saving up receipt tokens and only needed one more to get it free. I have
the "BUY!" sticker on it too, so I'll send that off soon. I'm a bit miffed
about the postcard though 'coz I haven't got mine yet so if it wasn't for this
list, I wouldn't know about the offer. Could someone perhaps post the full
text from the postcard?
As for the album, only two tracks. This could be interesting.
I notice from the inlay card that the instrument list is rather odd...
ie.
thighpaulsandra - arp, ppg & moog synthesizers, ring modulators &
potentiometers
julian cope - starchamber, piano & realistic synthesizer, digital distortion
and percussion, doubleneck guitar (guitar & bass)
d-r skinner is relegated to the production credits rather than the main band
which seems to be just the above two. The other d-r skinner factoid on the
sleeve is that he is quoted as being "d-r skinner of unst". Does he have his
own band? Anyone heard of Unst?
The CD bears the catalogue number of "ESP CD 2". It's on "Echo Special
Projects". Presumably, the second ESP CD. This Echo Label needs a bit of
investigation I reckon.
The inside cover has a picture of the hill outside of Avebury which if I
remember rightly is called "Silbury Hill" as in the Peter Gabriel song too. PG
doesn't live far from the hill either.
Shaun. /\ (+44)(0)635 565219. scm@mfltd.co.uk /\ o__
Micro Focus, 26 West St. Newbury, Berks, RG13 1JT/\ / \/\ _.>/ _
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Tue Nov 15 11:16:28 EST 1994
From: "A.J. Norman" <nja@leicester.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:38:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Queen Julian
Managed to find "Queen Elizabeth" yesterday, and I'm not too impressed
with it. The cover is a picture of thighpaulsandra (a bloke, not Copey,
but with a similar hairstyle and fake leopardskin coat) standing on a
synthesiser and surfing through the stars. No writing. The back cover
doesn't mention Cope - it says:
Queen Elizabeth
Two Spontaneous Concertos for Time and Space
Part 1 - Superstar 34:00
Part 2 - Avebury: the Arranged Marriage of Heaven and Earth 31:30
Destroy the Monarcy - take out the trash
Echo Special Projects ESP CD 2
Inside there's the same picture, but with a background of Silbury Hill
(near Avebury) instead of stars, and the credits - Cope and
thighpaulsandra play all sorts of ancient synthesisers, Donald Ross
Skinner of Unst plays percussion keyboard, and Sean Harvey programmed
and recorded it.
So what's the music like? Dull. Two droning ambient pieces, with no
structure. I would imagine that Copey & tps got bombed out of their
heads, played around with synthesisers for an hour or so, and then
decided to put the results out as an album. Sonic Boom does this sort
of thing *much* better - notably on the recent Spectrum EP "Undo the
Taboo". There's none of the energy of "Rite", no tunes, just a rather
poor ambient album. Avoid it unless you are a hardcore fan.
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk |
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From: sandy.blair@almac.almac.co.uk
Date: Mon Nov 14 20:20:29 1994
Subject: Julian Cope news!
This is the most recent mailing from KAK. As usual, the mailing features
a photo of an ancient monument - this one being the 4000-year old
Men-an-Toi, an amazing holed stone at Land's End.
Drudes,
I've been travelling in Scotland with my family. Albany
turned 3 at Callanish, and I played an impromptu show
to travellers at the Ballymeanoch stones in Argyll. The
Scottish part of The Modern Antiquarian is now complete.
I'm currently writing a short book called Krautrocksampler,
a guide to the most over the top hippy/punk music of all -
Faust, Can, Ash Ra Tempel, Neu! and all that stuff. We're
designing a special Krautrock t-shirt to celebrate the book*.
Krautrocksampler should be ready for late Spring...
But most serious of all is the new LP released on November
14th, Prince Charles' birthday! It's called Queen Elizabeth
and is a huge Cosmick Trip-out album, a vast turbulent
space-ship of a thing. Queen Elizabeth is a republican duo,
just me & Thighpaulsandra - we've taken that name because
the head of the old regime doesn't deserve it anymore.
If you wish, you are welcome to peel off the BUY! sticker
from the Queen Elizabeth sleeve, stick it on the inside of a
*used* envelope along with your name and address, and
send it to KAK Ltd., P.O. Box 3823, London NB 8TQ.
In return, the Echo Label will send you a complementary
Paranormal in the W. Country CD, featuring 3 new versions
of that song, plus the longbarrow original. *But* you must
do this all in the 3 weeks after November 14th, *And* it must
be a used envelope or the deal is forfeit. P.S. The version
with the string quartet is my favourite.
The Arch-D, Wessex - October 1994 (C.E.)
* Please note KAK Ltd has new Cope shirts for sale.
Thu Nov 17 11:02:56 EST 1994
From: scm@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Murray)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 16:07:43 GMT
Subject: Queen Elizabeth (first impression)
I've now listened to QE twice. It's not like anything else Julian Cope has
ever done before. If I had to describe how it sounds, I'd have to describe it
as being half way between The Orb's earlier stuff and Faust's 'The Faust
Tapes'.
It has various layers of sound to it which is going to take some listening to
reveal everything. It has lot's of early electronic, synthetic noise in it and
the 'songs' don't follow a traditional structure. There is no repetitive rythm
or what you could call verses and as such it doesn't sound at all like 'Rite'.
There are the odd patches of vocals which seem to be random and unintelligible
in the background and the occasional grunt noise. On "Superstar" there seems
to be some sort of monastic chanting and what seems to be a Horse played at
half speed.
Also, they've used distortion as an instrument/noise. At first I thought it
was my speakers overloading, I was playing it loud, but I turned it down as
well as playing it through head phones and it still distorts. This was with
the CD version so if you suspect it's your vinyl, it might not be.
As I like things like the Orb, I'm quite taken to it already though it doesn't
have any kind of beat to it. I imagine if you did drugs with this record, you
could get either very paranoid or very chilled out.
I've already taped it, so I'll give it another listen tonight on my walkman
whilst cycling around the woods (in the dark). It'll probably scare me
shitless, and I'll expect aliens to jump out from behind the trees but I
should be able to get a good concentrated listen. I'll refrain from voting on
it just yet although I could be a nervous wreck later on and be unable to
express any sort of opinion. ;-)
Shaun. /\ (+44)(0)635 565219. scm@mfltd.co.uk /\ o__
Micro Focus, 26 West St. Newbury, Berks, RG13 1JT/\ / \/\ _.>/ _
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From: Tokio Rose <yokoyama@husc.harvard.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:19:06 -0500 (EST)
wait. havent checked my email in so long that i dont know exactly whats
going on. new album.(orb meets faust?) sounds good. how do i get it?
has anyone in america found a decent way of procuring it? if so, please
tell me in explicit, easy to follow directions. i would appreciate it
immensely. i mangaged to get a friends so into cope that he painted
julian cope and autogeddon on the sides of his van in 20 inch letters.
please, for the sake of the two of us, tell me what to do. cost is not
important. thank you and god save....
secondly, as far as autogeddon goes, all i have to say is...autogeddon
blues, dont call me mark chapman and starcar. few greater gifts have
ever come, even amongst those that have descended from heaven.
fried,
mark
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* "FAMILY DEAD, JUST FREAKIN' OUT BLEEDING...." *
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Thu Nov 17 14:31:51 EST 1994
From: scm@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Murray)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 17:37:22 GMT
Subject: QE Review....
Queen Elizabeth (The Midnight MTBer review).
--------------------------------------------
As a preface to the review, I must say that I started listening to this
on my walkman at about 10pm. At that time I was biking around the
tracks leading up to the woods north of where I live. I know these
woods like the back of my hand, even in the dark. It was a cold, clear
night with a full moon so a lot of the time I didn't need my 3w flood
never mind the 10w spotlight and 3w spot head torch. ie. enough to
blind car drivers and transfix woodland creatures ;-)
I started off biking to "Superstar". This has quite a relaxed start so
it was perfect as a warm up. It starts off very quiet but with the odd
sharp blast here and there to make sure you don't get lulled into a
false sense of security. It also has a background whine that
occasionally cuts through. After which you get all sorts of strange
chanting in the background and odd noises.
Midway through I left the traffic behind and hit the backroads. I turned
the walkman up a bit.
At this point, about 12-15 minutes in, it starts to get a bit spacey
with the sort of noises you hear in 50's B movies. With all the
wooshing around inside my helmet, it was starting to give me a more
elated feeling. I hit the hill and switched off the lights completly
and rode up the hill, about 1/2 mile long, with a spaceship
landing/taking off kind of noise. By the time I got to the top, the
adrenalin rush and loud spacey noises coupled with the weird moonlight
was starting to give me one of those "This is why!" kind of attitudes
when you realise there is nothing on earth that beats how you feel just
then. I chilled out on this vibe for a another ten minutes or so
listening to the noises. The latter part of the track gradually
slowing down and getting less complex but still fairly uplifting. It
has some large synthetic noise hits that blast your ears here with
quite a bit of distortion. They gradually get less and slower towards
the end. I reached the woods and finished the track with a quick blast
around and let the walkman run it's course naturally to give a gap
before switching sides. (about 3 minutes as I used a C74 cassette)
In that time I gave some thought to how the track went. All in all, I'd
say it's fairly good but you have to really submerse yourself in it.
The one thing which I thought could be better is the mix. A lot of the
noises are the sort that should wash around your head from left to
right, top to bottom etc. It could have been mixed better to give a
more 3d in your head experience. In this way, people like the Orb and
Future Sound of London create some really interesting stuff although it
comes from a more club/chillout room vein.
I pressed play on the walkman for track two. "Avebury: The arranged
marriage of heaven and earth".
Immediatley, I was filled with a deep sense of foreboding. Ok, I was in
the woods, in the dark, on a night with a full moon but the lurking
evilness of the sound was starting to freak me out. I decided to go
faster so that anything behind me wouldn't catch me. Bang!, a chainsaw
type synth cut through my hearing. This track was a lot louder than the
first. Rather than turn it down, I persisted hoping it would calm down
in a bit. Nope.
After a few laps round the woods, I left for the road, thinking I'd
feel safer there. The foreboding followed. It was starting to remind me
of "Forbidden Planet" both for the music and for the "monsters of the
id" theme. I had the id-monster stuck in my head now and was half
expecting it to be running behind me, ready to pounce. Perhaps it was
the adrenalin talking.
I don't particularly remember too much of the track other than the fact
that it wasn't a nice experience. It isn't as musical as "Superstar"
and doesn't have any particular parts to it that go anywhere.
Safe to say, it was a relief when I stuck my old favorite Doors album
into my walkman and headed off back into the woods with "Peopl are
strange" ringing in my ears.
marks out of ten....
track 1 - 8 out of ten
track 2 - 4 out of ten ( maybe 5 if I could find the right
environment to listen to it )
The views expressed here are of course my opinion only. I think JC's
description of it as a Kosmic Tripout is apt though. Both a good trip
and a bad one.
Shaun. /\ (+44)(0)635 565219. scm@mfltd.co.uk /\ o__
Micro Focus, 26 West St. Newbury, Berks, RG13 1JT/\ / \/\ _.>/ _
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Fri Nov 18 11:48:53 EST 1994
From: bmcgeene@gssec.bt.co.uk (Brian McGeeney)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:53:32 +0000
Subject: Julian Cope / Queen Elizabeth
Yo Travis,
The JC list has been a bit quiet of late (or at least
I haven't received anything for ages) so I'd assumed it had
died a death and haven't posted anything about what Copey's
been up to.
Anyway, the new album came out on Monday of this week. Queen
Elizabeth is the name of the 'band' as well as the album - a
postcard from KAK written by Julian said that the name was chosen
because the present owner of the name doesn't deserve the title
anymore.
I've only just bought the album so I can't comment on the content
yet, so here's the info printed on the CD cover:
Queen Elizabeth - 2 spontaneous concertos for time & space
Part 1 - superstar (34.00)
Part 2 - avebury: the arranged marriage of heaven & earth (31.30)
Destroy the Monarchy - Take out the Trash
Queen Elizabeth is:
thighpaulsandra - arp, ppg & moog synthesizers, ring modulators & potentiometers
julian cope - starchamber, piano & realistic synth,
digital distortion & percussion
More details on Monday once I've listened to the thing.
Cheers,
Brian.
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From: my life is the disease <"dec:.olo.warnut::fiddlerm"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:03:25 MET
RE: Shaun Murray review...
Hi Shaun - which woods were these? And more importantly where did you find
your copy of Queen Elizabeth...? I'm living in Hungerford, moving to
Kingsclere next week, and a search of Basingstoke and Newbury has so far
reveled no new Julian lp...
Mikef
Wed Nov 23 12:26:36 EST 1994
From: Chris Pudney <chrisp@quokka.cs.uwa.oz.au>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:58:15 +0800
Subject: Cope interview
G'day,
Here is an interview with the Arch Drood I thought might interest you. It's
from the Consumable Fanzine. It's fairly cool, to subscribe mail Bob Gajarsky
(gajarsky@pilot.njin.net). Anyhow, without further ado...
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Road Tripping: Interview With Julian Cope
If there ever was a pop star seemingly earmarked to end up trampling
down rock's road to ruin, it was Julian Cope. He did Britain's Top of The Pops
bent on acid, his band (The Teardrop Explodes) fell into ruins despite their
enormous success in the early eighties largely because he became a "grand
asshole," and for a time trifled with the likes of Kurt Cobain's widow,
Courtney Love.
But somewhere in the midst of one of Britain's psychedelic revivals
(there have been at least...oh, somewhere near 42 by now if you've kept pace
with the UK music press..), Julian constructed _Peggy Suicide_, a double long
player heavily laden with apocalyptic musings and trippy soundscapes that
lifted Julian from the pop slag heap. The next thing he knew, he was nabbing
four star reviews from Rolling Stone and having rock gods like Zepplin
frontman Robert Plant pointing to him when journalists would ask what he
thought was "happening" today in music.
But in true Cope fashion, Julian diffused his second coming by giving
his record company another pricey double lp (_Jehovahkill_) to push that
seemed much "weirder" to the suits than _Peggy_ was, and by mid-tour he was
dropped. But consequently, _Jehovahkill_ did do well and Julian went along
his way unconcerned about where his future in recording lay.
"I'm going to be doing these things in twenty years, if there's still
a world here, this is what I'll be doing so it doesn't really worry me." he
says camped out in the Long Island home of his American mother-in-law.
And even if he never does make put another track to tape, Julian is
still neck-up in other projects. He's just finished a personal memoir of his
early history entitled "Head On" and about a year off from completing a
comprehensive traveler's guide of sorts to the hundreds of Stone monuments
strewn across the British Isles. Beyond that there's a collection of prose
due compiled from his extensive journals and foremost these days is his
family. In May of this year Julian's wife Dorian gave birth to their second
baby girl, which they've named Avalon. After Dorian had their first child
(Albany) by way of modern medicines, the couple decided to put a more natural
slant on this delivery.
"This time Dorian was very cool about it. We went to a cottage in
England where she didn't have the choice of those heavy drugs. So we listened
to Tangerine Dream, ate hash cookies, and had gas and air. Which was pretty
far out."
With his his speech pock marked with dated hippy terminology and his
album covers smeared with his neo-pagan attitudes, Julian only narrowly avoids
the tag "cheap new age cavalier" which he uses to refer to himself on his
latest release, _Autogeddon_.
_Autogeddon_ is the third socio-cosmic release from Cope in the last
three years. It's the near manic and sonically fragmented saga of Julian
behind the wheel "pissed off on the motorways of Britain." The tracks careen
between the extremes of brisk toe-tappers and long rambling semi-instumental
passages.
With Julian's travelling around gathering material for his tour guide,
he's witnessed and felt the impact of having ancient territories violated in
the name of having a snappier route to the city or the seashore.
"You see the differences between a British Autogeddon and an American
Autogeddon are very pronounced. With Britain, any large, four lane road that
is built fucks up a community which is close to 1,500 years old. In America if
you build a highway, it's going to go trash some Indian sacred ground which is
fine for white people because the landscape doesn't mean anything to them
within the last three or four hundred that they've been here. Which is still
powerful, but it isn't the same."
But while he rails against commuter culture he also reckons with the
inevitability of travel in our times (as put forth in "There Ain't No Getting
'Round Getting 'Round) but insists, at length, that the journey has been
spoiled for us. The current availability of fax service to the Wailing Wall,
for those who can't get there by traditional means to put up their prayers,
is a fitting example.
"People have actually broken the link between the pilgramage to and
the arrival at." he says. "They've said that isn't important. If you make the
road straight, it means that you're no longer looking at the landscape while
you're traveling because you're too busy concentrating about staying on the
road. Once you do that, your journey deteriorates in importance to the point
where the journey is only a means to get there. We spend a lot of time in the
West, the North, and the far South of Britain because that's where the Romans
didn't get to."
The psychology of all this winds it's way on to the album. On
"Drivin' On the Fast Side of Slow" Cope paints pictures of himself crawling
through the windy back roads of places like Cornwall where the thoroughfares
were originally cut out of the land in 2000 B.C.
"You get a completely different way of thinking." he explains,
illustrating the sensation. "You have to travel between 20 or 30 mph. Once
that happens, your sense drops slowly. You go beyond been angry, because you
realize you have forty miles of this and it's going to take you three or four
hours to get there. If you took a train from New York to Boston you'd spend
most of the time in the countryside, thinking in terms of 'This is great
virtual reality, I can't wait to get to Boston.' But because there's not
enough of it to interest you and there's too much of it to grab your
attention, it becomes sort of general outdoorness."
It must all seem like psychobabble to some, but to Julian these are
the seeds of our cultural indifference and out eventual undoing where people
spend so much time bustling through the now just to arrive at next, there is
no sense of the future. While U2 spend time hanging with William Gibson and
envisioning "virtual nightclubs," Cope's stance is the complete polar
opposite. Last year he drummed up a good bit of flak slash cheap publicity
for himself by posing for a photo with a t-shirt he made that had a not too
flattering quote from Larry Mullen Jr. (U2's stick-man) printed on it. The
Irish mega-cyber-band have often by a favorite target for Julian's verbal
bashing, but his opinion of them has softened a touch.
"I find them less insufferable now. Just because..[their work and
image]... is so completely all over the place, they don't know anything. At
least before, they were these horrible prigs, slugging for Jesus. But now
they're just slugging for themselves so they've been beaten. You know Bono
thinks it's great to be ironic and smoke sharoots. So it's like, if that's
the point great. It doesn't matter how big he get's now, you know somebody is
gonna shoot the bastard someday and that'll be great." he says ending with
a chuckle.
But U2 fans won't have an opportunity for rebuttal this year as Cope
won't be able to tour the country behind _Autogeddon_ as he had hoped.
Between the book work and children and setting down the next set of songs,
Julian's schedule is completely booked for sometime to come. Next year there
should be a companion piece (entitled "Propheteering") to his autobiography
which will include 50 poems, all his lyrics and except from the 800 pages
worth of journals he's recently had bound up. The next record will include
songs that are "...really devotional..." in nature, breaking up the heavy
doom factor of the past three albums. As we approach the millenium, which
might be the worst psychological trauma a generation may have to endure,
Cope sees his role as a touch more theraputic.
"I think artists have got to be psychologists." he muses. "I don't
think they always have to be and I don't think they always will have to be,
but I think now they have to be. I think we are here to help see people
through and all I see is a bunch of artists who don't have much of a clue
about anything. " Oblivious to the depth of our discussion is Julian's
daughter Albany, who can be heard happily playing and singing in the
background. "I suppose that, looking back, all I'm trying to do now is
prepare people for the twenty first century."
---
Tue Nov 29 14:00:25 EST 1994
From: jloughney@riasmtp.riatax.com
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 10:54:21 EST
Subject: New (sort of) J Cope/Teardrops boot
Hi all,
I just picked up this lp. It isn't a recent boot (I'd guess from
around '91). The cover isn't much to speak about, a black and white
picture of young Julian on the cover, and a smaller b&w picture of
Julian in a nightie on the back.
Please note. the disjointed sentences are not my own, they are from
the notes on the back of the album. I'll give a full report of the
quality when I have a chance to give it a decent listen.
John
Julian Cope & The Teardrop Explodes - Scream Secrets
A collection of unreleased songs as well as very alternate versions of
released material by far too good to be left unheard.
A fan made record 400 copies
Side One (28:50)
You Better Scream / Make That Move, Baby
You Better Scream was originally written and recorded by Julian Cope's
old mate Pete Wylie and his band Wah! as their debut single in 1979.
This Teardrop's version was never released and recorded once, on a
BBC-session for Richard Skinner, August 12, 1981.
... And the Fighting Takes Over
From the same session, a beautiful rendition of this song. later in
the year released on the Wilder lp.
You Disappear From View
This version differs enormously from the one originally released as
the last Teardrops' single in 1983. This recording, in session for
the BBC's Kid Jenson on July 8, 1982 is almost a Julian Cope solo
performance, only accompanied by electric guitar and a splash of
synthesizer.
The Loving Kind
Another Julian Cope solo performance, this time, of a John Cale song.
Never released before, this track dates from a Richard Skinner
session, May 6, 1981.
For Years
The third totally unreleased Teardrops' gem on this compilation so
far, as recorded, again, for a Richard Skinner session January 20,
1981.
The Great Dominion
From the same session an early, more experimental version of this
song, who was originally intended as the title track of the second
Teardrops' album.
S.P.Q.R.
A storming live version of a good song, recorded live in Tokyo on July
27, 1985. By far better than the official released studio version,
hidden away as a b side to 5 O'clock World in 1989.
Suffocate
A classic, this song was only released as a b-side to You Disappear
From View in 1983. This here version was recorded live on a BBC
concert in May, 1981.
Side B (27:45)
Screaming Secretes
From the same concert, comes this track, the Teardrops' version of a
song, who was recorded by Julian Cope five(!) years later for this
third solo LP, Saint Julian.
The following six songs are studio outtakes and alternate versions
recorded in 1982, mainly for the third Teardrops' album, which was
intended to be a double set, but in the end it was not released at
all. That is, until 1990, eight years after completion, when a single
album, Everybody Wants To Shag ... was released.
The Butcher's Tale
But this instrumental piece, recorded with strings, was not on it.
Suffocate.
You've heard this song before, performed live, but this time the
track, complete with string arrangements, sounds totally different,
almost like a piece of chamber music from a long time ago. {editors
note - I think this version was released on the 12" version of You
Disappear From view}
Tiny Children
This song was released on the second Teardrops' lp Wilder, but,
again,, in a very different from. Here it is recorded with acoustic
guitar, organ and strings.
Blaze Star
A short piece of mood music, never used.
Log Cabin
Another beautiful song who never made it onto vinyl. The question
remains, Why not?
Flipped Out on LSD
This short excerpt from a long experimental piece says it all. Rumour
has it that this was planned as a single under the pseudonym Place de
la Concorde in 1982.
My Indifference
This song, again unavailable elsewhere, was recorded for a Kid Jenson
BBC session, July 8, 1982
For the last two tracks on this album, we have dugged deep in the
archives for some very vintage Teardrops' material.
Ha! Ha! I'm Drowning
This completely different version of the Kilimanjaro track comes form
the first Teardrops' BBC session for John Peel, October 2, 1979.
... or "I Could Strangle Pete Wylie"
This otherwise unknown instrumental was recorded live in Liverpool,
September 17, 1979.
Wed Nov 30 11:43:44 EST 1994
From: ILK <aaronilk@netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:54:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BUY!
Certainly tripped out! Impressed? Well, not in a special
way, but it is nice. I have it, and also have an extra copy
on order. Queen Elizabeth's little buy sticker on the front
I recall has some kind of significance? Where and how do I
send this off for a "special" CD? Is it "I gotta Walk"? BTW,
I'm working on my local DJs to play this track. I figured
American Recordings would push AUTOGEDDON just a little bit.
So far, all I've seen is it highlighted as a special selection
in the Columbia record and tape club. They sent out promo
singles for MC 900 ft.Jesus, why not for Julian,eh? What about
American Recordings attracted him? All mysteries doomed to
never be solved. Call Matlock.....
aaron.
Mon Dec 5 17:29:47 EST 1994
From: my life is the disease <"dec:.olo.warnut::fiddlerm"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:09:47 MET
If anyone in the Uk is after the Queen Elizabeth Cd, the cheapest place
that I have found it is BeeBees mail order (0245 323676). I got mine
for 10.99, no postage charge.
Is it worth it? Hmmm. I've only played it once, and I'm not convinced
yet. I prefer it when he gets into a groove (like Rite). All this
bleeping and blooping and going shoom seems to have been done before (and
better) by Tangerine Dream 20 years ago. It s probably more a mood/background
thing rather than an upfront 'listening to' album.
It will probably grow on me though...
Just sent off for the freebie CD also. stuck the sticker inside a used
envelope, and posted it off to KAK. I've alsked for a copy of the latest
merchandise list as well.
groove on.
Mikef
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I got QE finally, and it is weird. Listened to it twice. The second song
is very scary at times. I was typing a paper in my room, with the lights on,
in the middle of the day, and that sound (can't describe it) came on an
it just started to freak me out. Had to turn the music waaayyyyy down after
that. Sheesh.
The Big Takeover is great!!!!!!!!! I just got issues 20-35 in the
mail recently, and I love it!!!!
Gotta go
Trav
Thu Dec 8 14:30:10 EST 1994
Big TakeOver is a magazine that Jack Rabid (drummer for Springhouse)
started way back in 1980. THe first few issues are maybe 1 or 2 pages
long. THe most recont (#35) is about 200 pages long. He has interviews
galore now, but my favorite is his top 40 albums. BT comes out every
6 months or so now, and the address is (from memory):
Jack Rabid
249 Edridge St #14
NY, NY 10002
You can order the back issues.
THe address for Kak is:
Kak Ltd
PO Box 3823
London N8 8TQ
UK
Talk to you later!
Travis
Fri Dec 16 10:01:37 EST 1994
Hello, hello!
Guess what - I finally finished recording my version of "Sleeping Gas!" Yeah!
I had to guess as some of the lyrics (anyone know 'em?) and I sang a bit higher
than Cope (uggg, my voice!) I really can't sing, and I couldn't do any solos
because that would break the Teardrop feel (I tend toward jazz). Anyway,
I hope to get my "band" together this winter, and I'll introduce them to
KILIMANJARO and see which songs they want to cover (KILI fits our
instrumentation the best).
Take care everybody, and good luck on your cover versions!
Travis
.s. Happy Holidays to those of you heading home for break!
Mon Dec 19 10:55:39 EST 1994
From: my life is the disease <"dec:.olo.warnut::fiddlerm"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 94 14:06:20 MET
Anyone send off for the freebie CD with the Queen Elizabeth sticker?
I sent mine off - stuck inside a used envelope folded up neatly - but
haven't heard anything yet.
Have a good Crimble everyone.
Mikef
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It's neat that Columbia house has advertised AUTOGEDDON in its last 2 issues.
There's a nice photo of Cope with his mohawk there. :)
So far, 2 songs have been "claimed" regarding covers:
Sleeping Gas
Fear Loves This Place
I'm really excited about putting together this covers tape. So, even if all
you can do is sing, or play the piano, go ahead and mail me a tape!
The Deadline is going to be pushed back to, say, the end of January (ha ha
I've said that before!) The idea of it, of course, is to provide incentive...
I arrived home from school yesterday, and found my postcard from Julian
(re: QE). Yeah! That means I'm on the Kak Mailing list!!! Ironic, because
yesterday morning (before i got back) I wrote a letter to them asking them to
put me on, and telling them a little about this list.
Take care everyone!
Travis
Mon Dec 19 17:39:20 EST 1994
From: bdaniel@origin.ea.com (BDaniel)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:54:33 UNDEFINED
Travis,
I'd like to claim the song "Know (Cut My Friends Down)"
OK?
OK.
--Britt
Wed Dec 21 14:59:48 EST 1994
From: EARN@PORTIA.CALTECH.EDU
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 07:49:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: covers
"Upwards at 45 Deg." - It's ours.
- Eric
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one sorry lobe of EARN@portia.caltech.edu
the primordial undermind
you and me and the continuum
Thu Dec 22 09:06:44 EST 1994
From: bernie@spine.med.utoronto.ca (Bernie Charlton)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 17:39:43 EST
Just letting all the canucks on the list that Sam's in Toronto has
Queen Eliz. in, but are charging $37 for it. CDBar also has it in now,
and they've got Head On as well. You can order by 800 number from
the CD Bar; call 800-555-1212 to find out the number, I live just
up the street from them, so I don't know it...
A week or so ago one track from QE was played at 4:30 AM on the CBC-FM
show Nightlines (excellent show, BTW). I think the name of the track
was SuperStar? At any rate, I got it on tape, but it's not compelling
enough to want to listen to it very much. From memory, it sounded like
they'd put on an echo effect, and forgot to turn it off or change it at all.
Some of the sounds were cool, and the tape-speed manipulation effect is
neat, even if cheesy. I think there were some cool moans and howls, and
weren't there some really mumbled words near the start?
Dave Wisdom (nightlines dj) said it was the first and last time it would ever
be played on the CBC, and that the only reason he played it at all was
because Cope fans had been bugging him. Glad I didn't pay $37 for this!
Bernie
ps still trying to get a band together to do a cover. My drummer wants
to play industrial acid-jazz (yeah, whatever), my guitarist options
either want to play Green Day or 70s fusion. But I've got a nice set
of effects pedals for my bass now. I want to do a slow, chorusy, gothed-up
version of something... any suggestions?
Mon Jan 9 10:15:30 EST 1995
From: my life is the disease <"warnut::fiddlerm"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 11:41:54 MET
Well - I got my freebie CD of 'Paranormal'. No great shakes, but
ok. Theres a cool version recorded with a string quartet, and an instrumental
version with lots of squelchy noises.
A couple of reviews of Queen Elizabeth have appeared, all slagging it.
I have to be honest - I havent bothered with my copy since I got it.
Mikef
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Hello! Happy 1995!
Got my postcard, got my EP (hmmmm)... Sent a letter to Kak
further plugging our list (persistance persistance)...
Is this the decline of Julian Cope? Does anyone think QE
is brilliant? Does anyone think the Paranormal EP is just a
selling gimmick to get people to buy QE? Hmmmm...
Well, hopefully Cope's forthcoming "Really Devotional" album
will have a little more time and heart put into it. I find
Jehovahkill growing on me more and more (yes, Jehovahkill). Maybe
the fuss over the blue cover, maybe the beautiful sleeve, maybe'
the gold-colored CD.... It seems so well thought-out. The songs
coalesce. Autogeddon seems to be fighting itself. I don't know
why I've been looking nostalgically back at Jehovahkill, which I
thought was dead at the time, and why Autogeddon seems so CHEAP
next to it. Hmmm.
Well, there's always the Chameleons. THey will never die.
Trav
Tue Jan 10 10:24:56 EST 1995
From: Howard Greenberg
<"warnut::vbormc::howardg@pipeline.com"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 23:09:25 MET
Hi
I've beeen a big Cope/Teardrops fan for a long time (saw them in NYC in '81
the first time)
But, I have to say that Autogedden really let me down, and from what I've
read about QE. I hope Julian isn't starting to beleive his legend a bit too
much.
Howard
Tue Jan 10 16:03:38 EST 1995
From: silva@pc110.ccrc.uga.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 10:43:26
Subject: The State of the Julian...
> I hope Julian isn't starting to beleive his legend a bit too much.
I would haZarD to say no on this one. I think Julian's
take on QE was that he was trying to approximate some of
the kraut-rock stuff that he was into way back when. Which
might have been a by-product of having relived some of that
personal era when working on "Head On," where he mentions
Can, eTc alot.
As for "Auto" being a disappointment...er, uh, well...
I'd still have to say that it seems like a natural
continuation from "Jehovah." If Julian was more geared
mentally to being pop successful, he might have waited,
and culled the best from Auto, QE, and the devotional
record and made something of a smash album. But I don't
think that's the way he approaches projects. They come
across to me as all different mindsets. Besides, if he
were more pop-headed, he probably wouldn't have left Island
for smaller labels.
JoE "Waiting for the QE to sail in to the States..." Silva
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JoE Silva
Consumable Online
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From: bdaniel@origin.ea.com (BDaniel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:08:38 UNDEFINED
Subject: help
About a month or so ago, someone on this list posted the telephone number of a
mail-order place in England called BeeBee's, which had the Queen Victoria
album for sale. I've lost the telephone number AND the original email
unfortunately.
DOes anybody still have that number? I need to call them back because I have
not yet received my stuff (though it's been billed to my credit card.)
Thanks very much,
Britt
Wed Jan 11 13:08:43 EST 1995
From: my life is the disease <"warnut::fiddlerm"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 09:57:47 MET
>About a month or so ago, someone on this list posted the telephone number
Its BeeBees - 0245 323676
Mikef
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From: my life is the disease <"warnut::fiddlerm"@warnut.enet.dec.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 15:22:53 MET
In the NME today -
Julian is playigna one off acoustic gig at the Brstol Bierkeller on
January 29th. New lp due in Late Spring.
Anyone know where this venue is, or how easy it is to find? (I've never
been to Bristol).
Mikef
Fri Jan 13 15:44:57 EST 1995
From: Arcane <mlc9g@faraday.clas.virginia.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 12:57:33 -0500 (EST)
>> Is this the decline of Julian Cope? Does anyone think QE
>> is brilliant? Does anyone think the Paranormal EP is just a
>> selling gimmick to get people to buy QE? Hmmmm...
Hm... indeed... I have to say that I liked QE (am I the only one
out there?). Personally, I think the negative reaction is simply
because this is not what Cope listeners expect, and consequentially
not what they're into (most music magazines seem stuck back in
the days of "5 O'clock World", and most Cope fans seem to want
another Peggy Suicide -- though maybe I'm over-generalizing here).
I will admit that, when I want to listen to music, I will still
reach for Fried or Peggy Suicide or Skellington first (these, after
all, fit the idea of "music" much more closely), but when I want
something in the background while I'm writing, or something similar
where I need to concentrate more on what I'm doing, QE is perfect.
It is also excellent when I want to just relax (has anyone else tried
meditating with this? -- It's really good). I think this is more the
purpose Cope recorded it for. I'm not sure he ever intended it to be
"brilliant" or a "masterpiece."
I will admit, however, that I listen to a lot of experimental electronic
music, so my tolerance for such things is higher than a lot of people
I know. What I'm not entirely sure of, however, is how Cope ties it in
to the so-called "kraut-rock" (what does this term mean, anyway?) which
he says so much about. My understanding is that he's talking about
Can, Tangerine Dream, and other bands like that, and I really don't see
a lot of similarities between them and QE. QE makes me think more of
Throbbing Gristle-meets-ambient or something of that sort.
As for the EP, I'm not sure what to think... I don't think it was
meant as a selling point, because the only people who knew about it
were the people on KAK's mailing list (and the people on this list :),
and they were the ones most likely to go out and buy a new Cope
release right away anyway. It's interesting, and sort of cool to have
a Cope disc that few other people have (complete with personalized
address label and British stamp (anyone notice it was a picture of
Queen Elisabeth herself?!? -- at least on the ones mailed to the U.S. ;)
on the cover), but I have to admit I won't really listen to it that
much. Perhaps the best part for me was that, on the Avebury version,
he clearly says "Buckingham Palace," rather than the apparent "Fuckingham
Palace" on the other versions (including the album), so I've been able
to use it in my radio broadcasts. Other than that, though, I don't
know. It would have been nice to have one or two new songs on it (surely
he could have dug something out of the vaults...), but I guess that
wasn't to happen. Who, other than Julian himself, could possibly guess
what his real purpose was?
As far as the decline of Julian Cope, I'm still willing to have faith.
He's had is down times before (Saint Julian was enough to make anyone
give up), and he's recovered stronger than ever. I think he can do
it again.
Wed Jan 18 09:34:03 EST 1995
From: PWYKES@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 21:57:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Julian Cope Tape
I have just finished recording a version of Sunspot for the tape
compilation. I hope no one has claimed it already or else I will have to
do another one. Where do I send this tape? Thanks for keeping us Cope fans
so well informed.
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From: sandy.blair@almac.co.uk (SANDY BLAIR)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 95 21:59:00 +0100
> Yeah, I'm anxious to hear the new album... I hope it's worth the wait!
Haven't seen any more details about it. Hope there is a tour too!
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* OLX 2.2 * I thank you for your sweetly faked attention
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Hey, can't wait to hear Sunspots!
Here's my address until graduation (the middle of May): [snipped -- Trav]
Oh yeah, my girlfriend made me a Cope T-Shirt for my birthday! She
cut out the ad to Autogeddon in the Columbia House magazine (Cope's
picture in there was not copyrighted) and took it to kinko's and they
did the rest! So now I have a blowup of Mr. Mohawk himself on my chest!
Take care everyone. A new semester is underway!
Travis
Mon Jan 30 12:42:13 EST 1995
From: Nicki Keating <MHZNK@mhn1.phme.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:31:58 GMT
Subject: QE + freebie
OK, then, anyone else out there still waiting for their free CD
following the misguided purchase of Queen Elizabeth?
Nicki
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Last week I received PKWYKES's "Sunspots" cover and it sounded great!
So, just a reminder to everyone that the deadline is... um...
Okay, on another note (nice pun eh?), I am back in Williamsburg
so anyone who wants to trade bootlegs with me can go ahead and email
me. :)
Hope everyone is having a cool (he he) January.
Trav
p.s. way to go Chargers!!!
Mon Jan 30 22:05:49 EST 1995
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:42:37 +1300
Hi y'all - time to de-lurk. My name's James Dignan, I'm a 31 year old
masters student in Psychology from New Zealand (where Julian Cope info is
thin on the ground...)
What's all this about a covers tape? (I only ask because the band I'm in
performs Great Dominions and Head Hang Low, so I think I've missed out on
somethin here)
James
James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago.
Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand
pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807
* You talk to me as if from a distance
* and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time,
* from another time (Brian Eno)
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Hey, James - welcome to the speaking part of the COpe list! ;)
re: covers
A few months ago I asked people if they were interested in contributing
cover songs of Cope/Teardrop material. All you have to do is send recordings
of any Cope/Teardrop covers you do to me, and I'll be putting together the
compilation tape to mail to everyone. :)
So if you are already performing Head Hang Low and Great Dominions, you are
way ahead of the rest of us! My address is:
Travis Emmitt
416 Merrimac Trail Apt. #6
Williamsburg VA 23185
USA
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Here's some info y'all might be interested in writing down:
IPR (Independent Project Records) is currently working on their new
mail-order catalog. I'm very psyched about seeing this, especially since
FOr Against's new album is supposed to be coming out in a couple of
weeks.
For those of you unfamiliar with IPR, they are an American label that
put out Savage Republic, For Against, Fourwaycross, Half String, Woo,
etc. Sure, most of these bands you probably have never heard of; neither
had I until I started my massive mail-orders from them.
So, here's the address for the IPR mail-order catalog:
IPR Mail Order
PO Box 1483
Tempe, AZ 85280
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Secondly, the Big Takeover deserves mention upon mention. For those of
you who have never heard of the BT, it is an alternative mag by Jack
Rabid (drummer for ex-band Springhouse). It comes out about once every six
months. THe last issue, number 36, came out a few weeks ago. Right now
the mag's about 200 pages, lots of interviews, tons of reviews, and
very insightfully written editorials and opening statements by Jack.
Great mag, definately want to check it out. A warning, though: he is
not a Cope lover, so don't expect a goldmine of Cope articles in it.
He does, however, worship the Chameleons, which gives him tons of
creditability in my eyes.
Jack's address:
Jack Rabid
249 Eldridge St. #14
NY, NY 10002
Oh yeah, BT #36 costs $4.50 (if you are in the US), $5 if you are in
canada, $6 anywhere else. Great stuff.