Rail On #21

2000-07-29 to 2000-10-14

Trav tripalot.com/travis Sat Jul 29 14:35:54 EDT 2000

Hey guys!

Page changes:

I shrank the font back to its original size, which is more consistent with the other pages out there. If you prefer larger text, you can change the text size using your browser options. On IE it's View->Text Size.

No more heavy images at the top of the page! Faster loads...

I no longer use a theme or top border. I think one of those is what was causing the page to load all at once rather than piecemeal. If it still loads piecemeal, I'll remove the footer too.

In general, I want to keep the posting page fast and clear. The archives will be pretty, though. :)

Tribute CDs:

I sent a letter to Head Heritage asking them if Cope would like to hear the Interpreters albums! Wouldn't that be exciting!!!

I'm trying to figure out a way to make Interpreters 3 be as close to *free* as possible. The money issue has always made me uneasy, so if there's any way to remove it from the equation, I'll try it.

mp3s are not an option. We've already voted on that and I agree: mp3 devalues music. We want something in our hands, something tangible, physically collectable.

What I want to avoid is saying "the CDs are free" and then having hundreds or thousands of orders pour in until I spend all my evenings burning CDs, printing sleeves, and mailing them off. Meanwhile, my money and morale go down, down, down... Ack! I don't want that!

So the big question is: how do we limit the number of CDs I need to make and ship without charging money?

Possible solutions (I'm brainstorming here):

  1. only contributors get CDs [hey, it'd encourage people to contribute!]
  2. every month, we could randomly select "ten lucky people" from a list of interested Rail On fans... and send them each a free CD. I don't mind churning out 10 CDs a month!
  3. I could delegate, get some other people on here to help burn, label, and mail CDs to people. It's hard to have good quality control that way, though.
  4. Other ideas?


Trav tripalot.com/travis Sat Jul 29 14:38:04 EDT 2000

Ahhh, much faster! :)


Trav tripalot.com/travis Sat Jul 29 15:34:59 EDT 2000

Rob - Yes, I got 'em! Thanks! Trav

Tracy tracyr@stone-circle.fsnet.co.uk Sat Jul 29 21:25:23 EDT 2000


No, we named him Wayland. Wayland Carter.

He is now 2 weeks old and utterly beautiful. I'm totally in love again!!!

Thanks for the girls' names, though. Sorry we didn't use any of them.

Never mind, maybe next time. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!! This baby-making factory is CLOSED!

Thanks for the e-mail,


P.S. Did you get your Warwick ticket?? I guess I should buy one, really.

ron Sun Jul 30 02:22:36 EDT 2000

'...even when you go I still love you so'


Beautiful Love Promo available at http://www.headheritage.co.uk/

the absolute hippest shite of the Millennium

Morfe morfe@purpleturtle.com Sun Jul 30 07:57:12 EDT 2000

Trav, you have triumphed. We are lucky Heads indeed!

Tracy, if Wayland gets into metalwork at school, er...look out!

Great name though! To answer your question, I've defected to the Wolves gig, though I can't afford the ticket yet. I've been told it's a seating arrangement, and some friends are going, you're welcome to join us if you fancy a change.

Summer is here, thunderclouds and dark, dark trees!...

I'm off to practice austere self control (diet & sunshine and NO PC)with my gurl in the West Country. Catch you all later.

Bee Blessed X

Brian Warren cheesesuede@hotmail.com Sun Jul 30 13:14:46 EDT 2000

ok since I didn't see it yet. When is the final day to get things in for #3? You know how I love a deadline. Alot of my stuff in on a roland 1680 who's owner is in scotland and I can't get to it.

Nat yeeeeeehaw@cowboy.com Mon Jul 31 04:38:04 EDT 2000

Ron - Ta for the postcard!! What strange creatures you have in Texas, didn't know that rabbits could have antlers!! (ho ho ho ho)

Let me know if you are definately coming to the UK.. save me the postage on that video!! (Tight arse that I am!!)

Take Care..

Nat x

Devdev Mon Jul 31 05:41:54 EDT 2000

Have you noticed what Smithers - the evil Montgomery Burns' sidekick in The Simpson's - , indeed it is Wayland. now we must ask ourselves does he have wings too?

Ron drude@mounet.com Mon Jul 31 08:44:19 EDT 2000

Hey Nat, Glad you got it! Yes, truely strange creatures in Texas ;o) Looks like October is out as Colette can't do it, so looking at November, although unsure about the weather. She is more interested in sightseeing, but I should be able to get her to one show. Just don't know how much be-bopping around we can do in November...

Cheers to Andrew, hopefully you made it across the pond safely! Hey, Mike the Fiddler man, how's the family these days? Good to hear your keyboard again, drop by more often.

Big love, big smiles onja,

Izzy izzy@purpleturtle.com Tue Aug 1 09:32:34 EDT 2000

Just a quickie to say Hi! Back from the Big Green Gathering, had a fantastic time, met a witch who dug the MA, met my Grandad (maybe, or was it ObiWan?), met so many cool cool people. Given me real hope for the future.

Today is boycott the pumps day so I am going with a friend to fill up their car with petrol and I hope you are doing the same. What a silly protest! Going by car is STILL cheaper than public transport, so why are people complaining?

More later,


St. Tue Aug 1 11:16:01 EDT 2000

Going to the Bizarre festival in Köln, just got my tickets today. Beck, Placebo, Moloko, Underworld, Moby, etc. Anyone been before? I haven't, but it sounds like Glastonbury when it was good (miserable old git that I am). Any other forward thinking mofo Kraut-rockers going. What about you Marc, will you be shaking your booty?


Marc Wed Aug 2 11:34:32 EDT 2000

I won't, St., and I've never been there before.

By the way, Julian played there in 1987. Must have been the St. Julian tour.

Anyway, enjoy it.


Richard H R.P.F.Hayward@wkac.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 11:57:36 EDT 2000

Today my ticket for the Southend on sea Show at the Cliff Pavilion arrived in the post, with it came a giude to summer autumn season 2000. This is what the guide has to say about Julian. "Enjoy a fantastic evening of sensational music and a little chat with the former frontman of Echo and the Bunnymen." Yes the people at the Cliff Pavilion actually think that Julian used to be in EATB!

Richard Hayward

izzy izzy@thedarkside.com Thu Aug 3 07:07:39 EDT 2000

I'm whispering for I don't want to disturb your peace, but isn't it quiet here? Is everyone on their hols, or over at HH? I've had to move to the dark side (internet explorer) and its wierd, keeps making hints and tips and bollocks like that. Does anyone know how to rearrange your favourites out of alphabetical order, because logic isn't alphabetical?

That's embarrassing eh Richard? The person who wrote that will probably cringe until November, or perhaps there really will be a chat with the former frontman of EATB???

Like the new look Trav, thanks for the work, everything fits just lovely now!


Boolbar Thu Aug 3 08:56:45 EDT 2000

izzy - click on a favourite (just to highlight it) and continue holding the mouse button down and drag the bugger to where you want. It works on my version of IE.

Why are most venues for this Cope tour all seating ? Does JC want a nice tame audience this time ?

Dave Smith David.Smith@ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 3 09:37:05 EDT 2000

Funny! I didnt think a band like Crass would be Julians cuppa tea.

As Jules became a New bleedin romantic us punk types were getting ready on the front lines.

Crass were deffo THEE PUNK BAND.....their politics were of course anti-establishment but there was a belief in something else even if they didnt quite know what it was.

They were just bleedin hippies in Black overalls.....brilliant

Whats funny is that after buying "Feeding of the 5000" its politically making more sense just when I should be more concerned about my mortgage payments....BUMMER.


They can build them small, call it tactical.

Stop the fall out, make it practical...BOMB!

orangIzz Thu Aug 3 10:31:55 EDT 2000

thanks Boolbar, that works and it has brought some peace to the office (we have all had to move to IE). What a marvelous way to waste time - organising things just right!

brian warren cheesesuede@hotmail.com Sun Aug 6 11:28:35 EDT 2000

trav I am late chiming in on this but, here is my opinion on the production of the tribute cd's...I think you should continue as is, or whatever price you feel right with. I am in the near future going to need to pick up to more copies of #2 for the other boys that helped me out with it(They bug me all the time, damn I am lazy). I not to mention I need to buy #1 still...

Izzy izzy@purpleturtle.com Tue Aug 8 11:29:31 EDT 2000

Hello-o! (ello-o! ello-o! ello-o!)

Is there anyone here? (ere? ere? ere?)

Its very cold and echoey. (oey. oey. oey.) Really rather creepy. (eepy. eepy. eepy.) Where's everyone gone? (one? one? one?)

Boolbar (Not on holiday) Tue Aug 8 12:30:49 EDT 2000

Guess they are all off for their holidays. Won't get much fun in the UK though, it's raining again !

izzy izzy@purpleturtle.com Tue Aug 8 16:00:27 EDT 2000

But its beautiful rain! I had to walk to school today (left my bike behind as I was out celebrating Lammas last night) and under the trees it was so lush, and so many of the meadow plants are still in flower, and the birds...I miss a lot even on the (push)bike. I found it very hard to keep going into work and not stop and just breath in and in and in.....

A very good night Boolbar, and anyone else listening.

Nat, I think, is very very busy. I shall see you soon though, I hope!

Nat Wed Aug 9 05:29:42 EDT 2000


Back with boring nonsense very very soon.....

Nat xx

ron Wed Aug 9 15:21:39 EDT 2000

Ah yes, the dreaded 'Industrial Disease'... just as ya'll are dabbling in capitalism, we are moving towards socialism. Unfortunately, the 'heart' of capitalism, Wall Street, NOT McDonalds... (geez, geta clue) is convulsing, and investments are headed south... at this rate won't be able to afford a new t-shirt....

love and light,

Pat Lynch freecalls@lineone.net http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=406719166 Fri Aug 11 09:34:38 EDT 2000

Hi, I know there are some Dalek I Love You fans on here so you may be interested in the following. I have an all-too-rare Dalek I Love You cassette up for grabs at Ebay!




Mothra morfe@purpleturtle.com Fri Aug 11 23:06:59 EDT 2000

'lo all...

Nat, we said hello to Zummerzet for you last week, and I left my chillies with friends, returned to find I'd become a vegan and the plants to be HUUUGE! Strangeness a-foot.

Izzy, keep on pedalling, you righteous soul! I just bust me best bike cycling up a big hill in Exmoor, and my heart went twang 'coz I love her so. :o(

We are all so many echoes in this vast electronic canyon, on, on, on, on.....

Nat bbbrrrrrrrrrrr@chilies.com Mon Aug 14 04:37:53 EDT 2000

Hoorah for your chillies!! Morfe... Ta for saying hello to Zummerset for me, I miss her so much.... :-( Rolling hills, views of Glastonbury out my bedroom window (can't live the parents forever though - be a bit sad if I did!!) Ahhhhhhhhh memories, like the corners of my mind.....

Went to the seaside though at the weekend and went in the sea!! It was lovely and warm!

I am so blooming busy at the mo, will e.mail again probably nearer the Cope extraveganza......

Nat xx

tracy Tue Aug 15 00:09:34 EDT 2000

Hello Morfe, haven't been here for a while. Just wanted to see if you were O.K.

Have you got your wolves ticket yet?

I smell of rancid breastmilk and vomit, by the way, very attractive.


Morfe Tue Aug 15 10:25:09 EDT 2000

mmmmmmm. You best tell HH at Head to Head pages, they've got a mind boggling discussion about what we all smell like. Honestly.

No I haven't, I'm broke, and there's a wedding on Saturday (two big Cope fans), and I need some food, and the holiday's (spending money, must buy crisps, toy glider, and lots of iced lollies) and my bike's broke, and , oh, just everything. I MUST get those tickets. What can I sacrifice?

How's wayland, smelly? Noisy?

Bee Blessed X

Trav tripalot.com/travis Wed Aug 16 08:20:10 EDT 2000

Hey guys.

Really quick, b/c I have to run to work:

1) I mailed 2 copies each of Interpreters 1 and 2 to Head Heritage a couple Fridays ago. Cope has been asking people about them so now he's going to get his chance to hear 'em!

2) Please let me know what you think of this idea:

Starting with the release of Volume 3, I'd like all Interpreters CDs to be free! Let's end the money issue once and for all!

However, in order to get a copy, people will need to send in a blank CD, jewel case, and SASE so that I can quickly burn their CD, package it, and then drop it off in the mailbox on the way to work [I don't want to have to go to the post office each time].

In addition, I'd like to "require" anyone who receives one of these free CDs to send in a SONG-BY-SONG review of it. These reviews will give the contributors feedback. I will add them and bios to the Interpreters web site.

The idea here is to make the tribute CDs accessible to anyone who's willing to put forth a little effort. You don't have to be rich; you just need to care!

One question I am still pondering is what to do about labels. Most people probably don't have blank CDR labels sitting around their house. Maybe I'll send labels to people once I get their reviews. Or maybe everyone's supposed to print his/her own labels? I don't know. I enjoy designing the labels, but the printing process is the most laborious, error-prone, and costly part of the whole Interpreters project.

Ideas are welcome!


Morfe morfe@purpleturtle.com Wed Aug 16 16:56:26 EDT 2000

Trav, yer a FTMF, that's a fact. Praise bee.

Why should you pay for labels after all you're doing, compromise and draw a big thing on the CD with one of those CD pens!

Bee Blessed.

My, it's quiet here these days...

Tracy Wed Aug 16 22:49:31 EDT 2000

Morfe, I read that on H H aswell.

And it is quiet in here, about 1 post a day now!!!!!

I'm a girlie, so I'd sacrifice the glider. But you must do something Morfe.

Wayland is fine, greedy but fine, thanks. I just never get a break, constantly breastfeeding, etc. I just hope it will be better in time for the tour, I'm not taking him with me!!!!!

Get that ticket!!!!!

I'll see you at Wolves if you do.


Alternity Thu Aug 17 20:06:03 EDT 2000

I haven't been here in a long! time. I am always living a 'Cope-like' existance and missing his music...( I havent been able to get anything past 20 Mothers) hope he tours in a few years here in America when he gets his kids out to high school and has more free time.

Alternity Thu Aug 17 20:26:43 EDT 2000


oh just wanted to add this also

Morfe morfe@purpleturtle.com Fri Aug 18 00:43:57 EDT 2000

Tracy, ta, I'll let you know straight off, you can meet me and my gurl and two Walsallian Copenauts! What have you let yourself in for!

Maybe I've already got a few gliders too many. boohooo.

PS Hi Wayland, give Mom a rest.

Bee Blessed X

PS Is anyone else going to Wolves in October?

Morfe Fri Aug 18 07:06:52 EDT 2000

Thanks Alternity! Orgone Accumulator! Great name for a band! Yes, I know Hawkwind did a song on Space Ritual, and PWEI (spit) did 'Orgyone Simulator', does anyone know if the name has been used?

Richard Hayward Fri Aug 18 07:40:50 EDT 2000

Those of you that enjoyed Coil's performance at Cornucopea might be interested to know that they are playing at the Royal Festival Hall again:

Tue 19 Sep 2000 7:30pm

Royal Festival Hall

Double-headliner: Foetus and Coil

Prolific and utterly provocative, Foetus (Jim Thirlwell) is one of the great panoramic geniuses of industrial music. Without them we'd have no Godspeed You Black Emperor!, no Nine Inch Nails, little Throbbing Gristle and less Einsturzende Neubauten. Since the '80s, Foetus syncopated rhythms and extremist sounds have challenged technophiles everywhere. With fans from Julian Cope to Nick Cave, Foetus are a mark of dark good taste.

Back by popular demand and by special request, COIL play their second concert of this year 2000 at the Royal Festival Hall. Having not playing live for 13 years COIL's recent reactivated appearances have been described by The Wire magazine as "the most intense live events I have witnessed". This all new set is entitled "Persistence Is All" - A tribute to both COIL's continual Magickal intent and musickal longevity.

Coil have had friends, collaborators and allies as strong and as strange as Diamanda Galas, William S. Burroughs and Brion Gysin, Kenneth Anger, Autechre, Lydia Lunch, Nine Inch Nails and David Lynch.

Formed in 1982 from the ashes of Psychic TV and Throbbing Gristle, COIL have continued to create Magickal, Maniacal, Moon Musick of intense emotional and psychic resonance.This new performance promises to be the most diverse and unsettling incarnation yet.

The so called "Wreckers of Civilisation" continue in the grand tradition of the Surrealists and Chaos Magickians.

"Colour Sound Oblivion" "Bring it all down!"


info from the SBC Website: http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/

Wayland Carter Wayland@stone-circle.fsnet.co.uk Fri Aug 18 18:01:51 EDT 2000

Hello Morfe, thank you for your message. You see, Morfe, I like mommy's boobies, they are full of very tasty milk, and the great thing about them is I get to have cuddles and be close to mommy when I'm feeding, so why should I give her a break? Are you saying that she might want to do something other than feed me?

No, you can't be serious, surely.

Wayland. x x x

brian warren cheesesuede@hotmail.com Sat Aug 19 11:27:20 EDT 2000

well I heard something interesting today. For a while I ahve heard one of my favorite bands , rosetta stone, has on occasion covered reward... well this week they put a cover album out ,unerotica, and reward is included on it. I listened to sample on cd now but that didn't tell me much, so I am off to store in a bit to by the album... :)

Eve eemshoff@metalsite.net http://mystery.digital-genesis.com/~eve/ Sat Aug 19 22:34:32 EDT 2000

Hey, not sure if this has been mentioned, but an excellent head band to check out is Legendary Pink Dots: space, prog, avante garde in one. Very diverse. Fabulous. (http://www.brainwashed.com/lpd/)

Also, a personal revelation happened today. After losing most of my Cope collection in 1997 due to fire, I finally got Peggy Suicide on CD again. I'd bought the album when it came out in '91 and didn't enjoy it as much as following albums (Jehovakill was my favorite). Listening to Peggy today, I'd have to rate it much more highly than I did back in 91 - proof that my musical tastes have changed, too.


brian warren cheesesuede@hotmail.com Sun Aug 20 06:36:10 EDT 2000

Well I bought rosetta stone unerotica today....

their (his) version of reward is intresting in a electro/goth sorta way... though in the credts he out g. cope instead of j.....

other stuff on it.....

it is interesting

Mothra morfe@purpleturtle.com Sun Aug 20 21:02:07 EDT 2000

Hello to Charlotte Cox! And congratulations to a couple of Cope-o-nauts who got married yesterday, and danced to the strains of 'Charlotte-Anne'. Well, you can't smooch to 'Out of My Mind On Dope and Speed' now can you! See you at Wolves in Nov.

Bee Blessed.

Nat Woof@woofwoof.woof Mon Aug 21 04:24:00 EDT 2000

Don't know about 'Going to Wolves' Morfe....

I'll probably end up 'going to the Dogs' the way things are movin' and a groovin' down ere..

Anyone else going to Brighton, London and Southampton?

Roll on October.... :-)

Nat x

Nat Mon Aug 21 04:27:58 EDT 2000

Morfe - Also forgot to say that I have actually smooched whilst out of my mind on Dope and Speed... me little heart was a racing, but I was in lurve, so I smooched.... ahhhhhh

Hmmmm.. those were the days my friend.

(Oh by the way does anyone know which of these lyrics are right to 'Your so Vain' by Carly Simon - Does she 'see clouds/clowns/crowds in my coffee'?

Nat - a bear with very little brain......xxx

Morfe morfe@purpleturtle.com Mon Aug 21 05:39:32 EDT 2000

Hi Nat, did I read that right, you smooched whilst out of your mind...., I actually meant danced to the record, not getting royally troshed on nefarious substances. Bad girl. Go to your bed.

Carly Simon? Havn' a clue, I'll go and have a look with me ferret...

Bee Blessed X

Morfe Mon Aug 21 05:47:22 EDT 2000
You had me several years ago when I was still quite naive
Well you said that we made such a pretty pair
And that you would never leave
But you gave away the things you loved and one of them was me
I had some dreams,
they were clouds in my coffee
Clouds in my coffee, and...

Is that better?!

(Anonymous) Mon Aug 21 05:49:29 EDT 2000

Although you being a dope&speed freak, maybe 'crowds of clowns' in your coffee would make more sense. tsk tsk. ;-)

Izzy randomemail@work Mon Aug 21 07:29:08 EDT 2000

Good afternoon. Just returned from a snotty long weekend (ie took Friday off work due to aformentioned bodily substance). Glad to see that Nat and Morfe are around.

I've 'sort of' finished it Nat! That means that I am waiting for what I hope to be the very last set of comments. Hoorah! Bought myself the elastica CD to celebrate. Oops, wrong discussion list...

Since I have been arriving home before the witching hour I have become more aware of world afairs. Has anyone noticed this one, it has received shockingly puny coverage:


Also got these cool statistics out of the Big Issue:

In real terms, petrol costs the same now as it did in 1974. However, bus fairs have increased by 80 percent, in real terms since that time, and train fares are increased by over 50 percent, in real terms, since 1974.

I never know whether those people that get really passionate about their cause are mad or actually manage to do something. Anyone got any opinion?

Morfe Mon Aug 21 08:09:56 EDT 2000

Ta for the link Izzy. Sssshhhhiiiiiit. It's depressing.

To answer your question, yes I am passionate, about saving the Land, it was and will be my first and greatest love. And yes I 'do stuff' about it!

Can't refreeze the ice cap tho!!!!

Roger W rogerwood2@beeb.net Mon Aug 21 12:33:00 EDT 2000

Apropos of nothing....

As one of my recreations, I ride a dirt bike, and being in the Suzuki Owners Club, I write a regular column for their magazine.

Back in March, an injured shoulder meant I was on painkillers and not really able to write about much apart from some motocross racing from America which I'd been watching on Channel 5. I had a perfect title for my column: "I've Got My TV and My Pills"

In May, I went off with friends to an event in the Czech Republic, so that report became: "East Easy Rider"

So what?

Well, the big surprise for me was turning to the 'Centre Reports' that get sent in by the different groups around the country, and seeing that the guy who writes in from the North East has shown an occasional tendency to put the letters CE when he writes the date.

A Cope fan...in the North East? Nah, surely not.

Oh, by the way....it took me a long, long while to get there, in terms of what Izzy was trying to explain about "Badges", but it came to me in the end. You mean you really thought.....!!!???

(Anonymous) Mon Aug 21 22:59:47 EDT 2000

You get clouds in your coffee when you add the milk.

izzy Tue Aug 22 03:59:45 EDT 2000

Its like the masonic handshake, eh Roger? Actually, I know one of those handshakes...

No, I didn't really think that instead of Badges, just had a vulgar moment...

Just had a devine walk in the beautiful early Autumn sunshine and dew. It really is so beautiful out there.

As regards the lake found at the Arctic, it is my understanding that if the icecap melts rapidly the influx of cold water in the north Atlantic could completely halt the Gulf Stream, turning this fine island into a frozen waste, at least in winter. Shit, am I obsessing again?

Nat Away with the Fairies.com Tue Aug 22 04:10:15 EDT 2000

Morfe - what an angel you are I now know all the words to Carly Simon, I can sit in the bath now and sing to my hearts content...

(Bohemian Rhapsody is my fav though to sing in the bath!!)

I've done lots of strange things on strange substances!! Smooching is just one of them!! I fell in a ditch once too, thought it was a lovely patch of grass! Oh to be frum zumerset the world is strange....

Hoorah for Izzy wizzy woo - Beer, beer, beer.....

Nat - likes to live in a world of fantasy and Johnny Depp...hmmmmmm


Pat Lynch freecalls@lineone.net Tue Aug 22 05:44:58 EDT 2000


If anyone's after the Copey CD single Radio-Sit-in then point yer lovely browsers at




Morfe Tue Aug 22 07:14:23 EDT 2000

Having recently changed to soya milk, I get ridiculous cumulo-nimbus thunder-bloody-clouds in MY coffee. Grrrr.

Buzzard Of Morfe morfe@purpleturtle.com Tue Aug 22 07:21:45 EDT 2000

Hi Izzy, what side of the equator are you? It's still Summer (albeit late)up here in the Sunny Shires, why, just yesterday two big buzzards were wheeling under the sun outside my window. I like summer. But why does it have to hit you in the eye and wake you up so rudely in the morning. Ramble, grmble. Waheyyy!

Autumn is my favourite month tho' the mist, the mist,,...must walk, must waa..aa..lll..kk.


Nat Tue Aug 22 08:37:03 EDT 2000

I like those really cold misty frosty winter mornings you get in about Feb time, they are my fav... I like Brrrrrrr times of the year.

Roll on winter thats what I say - out with the mittens.

(Can't beat the Buzzard, Morfe but we had a dragonfly in the garden yesterday, huge and beautiful)

Nat x

Izzy away with nat and the fairies.com Tue Aug 22 09:25:17 EDT 2000

Nat, like the way you separate fantasy and Johnny Depp. Why should he remain in the realms of fantasy eh? Afterall, we tamed Chwis Packham didn't we? Can we fit Johnny in your shed too?

Morfe, me ald Buzzard, Its been sort of Autumnal for a while here. But I guess its your outlook. My idea of Autumn is harvest time, anytime from late summer until my birthday (about Samhain). Autumnal weather is usually sunny and warm (blocking anti-cyclones are common this time of year) but not hazy and muggy like mid-summer. Mornings are dewy and the evenings chilly are darkening. Perhaps that why I love Autumn, because its actually summer?

I agree Nat, those frosty Feb mornings, just when the snow drops have started appearing, beautiful! In fact, give me anything but grey, gray, grey.

I grew up in a commuter belt village->town. I went home a while ago. The weather was so grey, the buildings were grey, and all the people wore grey. And they looked at me like I was mad when I said 'hello'.

Izzy izzy@purpleturtle.com Tue Aug 22 09:31:34 EDT 2000

Oh, you two have just got me dreaming. Buzzards and dragon flies! I was thinking to other day that a dragon fly is just what I'd like to come back as. Walking in the mists, and crispy leaves, sigh...I fancy a day out soon. Anyone up for one? Maybe mid-late Sept?

(I'm sure the nurses will let me out with someone responsible. Nat sounds like a good candidate to look after me pills...)

Buzzard of Morfe Tue Aug 22 10:03:59 EDT 2000

I dream of walking across frosty fields, clear blue skies, when the air nips at your lungs, making you feel ALIVE. I used to walk more often in the last quarter of the year than at any other time. We don't seem to get those sharp days as often now, going back to the pole Izz!

Autumn is when the hazel nuts are ripe for plucking, two weeks away! mmmmmmm. (of course there's no real cut-off point, convergence, everything just sort of blends)

Ode to Autumn
Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness,
Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun;
Conspiring with him how to load and bless
With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run;
To bend with apples the moss'd cottage-trees,
And fill all fruit with ripeness to the core;
To swell the gourd, and plump the hazel shells
With a sweet kernel; to set budding more,
And still more, later flowers for the bees,
Until they think warm days will never cease,
For Summer has o'er-brimm'd their clammy cells.
Who hath not seen thee oft amid thy store?
Sometimes whoever seeks abroad may find
Thee sitting careless on a granary floor,
Thy hair soft-lifted by the winnowing wind;
Or on a half-reap'd furrow sound asleep,
Drows'd with the fume of poppies, while thy hook
Spares the next swath and all its twined flowers:
And sometimes like a gleaner thou dost keep
Steady thy laden head across a brook;
Or by a cyder-press, with patient look,
Thou watchest the last oozings hours by hours.
Where are the songs of Spring? Ay, where are they?
Think not of them, thou hast thy music too,--
While barred clouds bloom the soft-dying day,
And touch the stubble-plains with rosy hue;
Then in a wailful choir the small gnats mourn
Among the river sallows, borne aloft
Or sinking as the light wind lives or dies;
And full-grown lambs loud bleat from hilly bourn;
Hedge-crickets sing; and now with treble soft
The red-breast whistles from a garden-croft;
And gathering swallows twitter in the skies.
John Keats
Marc Wed Aug 23 02:23:39 EDT 2000

Wow, A Keats freak.

I always thought these Romantic British poets are UK's best heritage.

"I wandered lonely as a cloud"...

Nat Johnny Remember me.com Wed Aug 23 04:03:11 EDT 2000

Izz - I don't think this is the forum for me to divulge my fantasy with Johnny Depp, but there is plenty of room in my shed!! (I'll tell you when we're out for a swift half!!)

What a beautiful poem - ahhh Keats... you are a star Morfe for making me dream of wonderful things....

Ahhhh I now feel I can handle the day.

Nat xx

Morfe Wed Aug 23 06:38:35 EDT 2000

I dunno, you post one pertinent poem for the season, and 'wow, a Keats freak!' ;-)

Try Yeats, Shelley and Clara Burdett Patterson, if anyone's read anything by the last author I'll be mindblown!

Dream on Nat. Those big brown eyes full of Depp-th and a delicious on-the-edge urgency and odd-ness. Even I think he's a dreamboat and I'm strictly swinging one way!

Nat Holiday@woohoo.com Thu Aug 24 06:08:21 EDT 2000

I'm on holiday next week hoorah hoorah hoorah!!

Off to Avebury, The Tate Modern and the Isle of White! Oh yeah party people - 'I really know how to parteeeee on my hols'

Also try A.A. Milne for some poetry! Lovely stuff...

"I'm so excited and I just can't hide it, I'm about to loose control and I just can't fight it"

Sorry.... ;-) Better mention something Julian related - ummmmmm,, I wonder if I'll meet him in Avebury - how many of you Cope related people have met him in the Stones!?

Nat - I've got sun stroke I think..


Buzzard Of Morfe Thu Aug 24 18:01:42 EDT 2000

My it's echo-ey in hear again ain ain n n

Have a nice holiday, Nat-a-l-i-e ee ee ee e

You must tell us about the new Tate ate ate ate.

Thats Enough. uf.

I'll shut up. "NURSE!?" "NUUUURSE!"

Nat Fri Aug 25 04:08:40 EDT 2000

Wooo hooo Holiday, celebrate.....woooooo hooo

Miss ya all!!

No-one around is there? Maybe everyone is on holiday!!

Anyone going to the London Julian date?

Nat x

Izzy izzy@purpleturtle.com Fri Aug 25 05:51:35 EDT 2000

There ain't nobody here but us chickens...

Hope you have a wonderful holiday, Nat, you deserve it! Say hi to Julian from me. Remember to arrive in Avebury half and hour before you planned, and then you'll meet him... Are they excavating at Beckhampton again? Ask in the 'come in and browse' antique shop, they seem to know everything in there. Ooooh I just found this:


According to the radio this morning you much be either a poet or a woman to be interested in poetry, Morfe. So which is it? Please post some more, I enjoyed the last.

You know, I really meant it when I asked if anyone fancied a day out. There only seems to be three of us here, so it shouldn't be too hard to organise...

Alternatively, I can stay in with a video of sleepy hollow...lovely...

Buzzard of Morfe Fri Aug 25 06:51:13 EDT 2000

I am most definitely not a wo- hey hang on, didn't we meet at Cornucopea? I might have had strange coloured wiggery, and my mother always told me I was a pretty boy and it was just as well I had broad shoulders and...YES I write poems goddam it. But I'm not a bad person. I'd love to go out for a day guys, but I'm geographically/physically and transport challenged (hey, a whole new minority group!)

Have a right old time Nat!

Bee Blessed X

Buzzard of Morfe morfe@purpleturtle.com Fri Aug 25 07:37:59 EDT 2000

You can always find a poem of mine at poetry .com, under Buzzard of Morfe (case sensitive) should you dare to subject yourself to them. Luckily they limit me to one a month!

Bee Blessed

Nat Njt@purpleturtle.com Fri Aug 25 07:43:49 EDT 2000

Certainly did meet at Cornucopea, Morfe oh purple haired one!! Oh what a night that was. Ahhhh Julians armpit oh the wonderous smell it still lingers Izz..

You watch Sleepy Hollow without me Izz and you die!!! ;-) JOHNNY IS MINE oh yes HE'S MINE...ha ha ha haaaaaaaa, I'm free tomorrow night for a Sleepy Hollow..... ;-( perrrrrlllleeeaaaasseeee...

I'll write a poem Morfe whilst on holiday and enter it on that site thing!!

Nat xx

Buzzard of Morfe Fri Aug 25 07:46:53 EDT 2000

Go to it, poet is priestess and your beginnin' to MOVE!


St. Fri Aug 25 08:20:32 EDT 2000

You are not alone. Been watching, but had bugger all to say. Still do 'cept I'll be visiting dear Herr Bank manager and then hopefully I'll be over to dear old london tawn for the SBE gig. I'll be meeting up with a few heads over there but I always like to put a face to a name so if any of you lot are going to be there let me know and we'll meet for a swift half before or during the gig. What's up for afters? I reckon I'll do the usual and head down Brixton to boogie at the dog star. Anywhere particularly funksome in the Shephards Bush area? When they cart me off to debtors prison do you reckon Julian will do a charity album like Droolian for Rory Erikson?

....and I'm an earthbound boy ....


Buzzard Fri Aug 25 08:43:45 EDT 2000

Ain't THAT the way to go!

izzy izzy@purpleturtle.com Fri Aug 25 09:50:44 EDT 2000

Don't do yourself down Buzza, I've just read Untitled and I like it. It has that texture that I can't describe but is very satisfying to read aloud. Oh, could I be any more vague? Are you not in the steel city, Morfe? Its not far really....

Its tonight or ney for the JD oggle, Nat, I am being wisked away in the early hours for my week of torture tomorrow morn. I have been doing my best to injure myself all day but I just look like the rear-end of a beautiful new-born oriental.

I can see reflected in the windows opposite the storm clouds are brewing....we're in for a fine night...

Izzy Fri Aug 25 09:54:07 EDT 2000

Hi St! Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you there.

Are you thinking of going to London then Nat?

(Anonymous) Fri Aug 25 09:57:01 EDT 2000

"He smells of MAN"

Buzzard of Morfe Fri Aug 25 10:09:04 EDT 2000

Fraid not Izz, out in the wilds of middle -England's shires.

Glad you liked the poem tho'!

What does a man smell of?!

Puppy dogs tails, snails, Hugo Boss, kebabs, motor oil, wintergreen on a Sunday afternoon at the 5 a-side, and that musky dunnowhat when he get's all sweaty!

izzy Fri Aug 25 10:31:38 EDT 2000

Yes, Nat, what DOES a man smell of?

None of the men I know ever smell of motor oil. More like washing up liquid. But I just love it when they cook me dinner while I fix my bike. My man smells of biscuits and sunshine and comfy things.

Nat Fri Aug 25 10:36:06 EDT 2000

Oh bum Izz can't do tonight, away with the fairies tonight I'm afraid... well my mate Toms anyway. have to make it some other time.

Julian smelt lovely Morfe, 'au natural' no deodorant just lovely, not BOish not by any means but just natural, no man made false oders! I ADORE the au natural smell of a man the just washed clean ahhhh hmmmmm I'm a bit wierd aren't I. Oh well nevermind ;-)

Izz my lovley I'm up for any other date thats travelling distance from Southampton. Except Brighton at the mo as I have a couple of chums I have to meet on that Friday who are down for the Southampton night on the Sunday. But London would be a good un, last night of the tour and all that.

Anyway I'm off in about an hour Hoorah, heard from Mr Belbin what a georgeous hunk of a man he is!! ;-) sigh god I'm bored

Nat xx

B.O.M morfe@purpleturtle.com Fri Aug 25 10:38:30 EDT 2000

Hey, then all men are different!?

I must be 'cos I smell of moss.

Oh the summer lull.

Nat I love armpits.com Fri Aug 25 10:43:02 EDT 2000

Moss is fine!! I'm glad all men are different!

I smell of cotton!!

All Rail on residents, smell your arm pits NOW ;-)

Nat xx

Morfe Fri Aug 25 10:46:43 EDT 2000

Go and pack your bags you cottin' pickin varmint ;-)

Say hello to Aaaaavebreeeeey!

I'm off now for some berrs and curry, guess what I'LL smell of tomorrow?!


safe trip Nat. X

nat Fri Aug 25 10:48:56 EDT 2000

I had a curry last night so I know exactly what you mean!

Woooo Steves a vindaloo man....wooo did he pooh this morning! He normally smells of radox!

I'm nearly off!


Morfe Fri Aug 25 10:52:30 EDT 2000

I think we best both had, before we talk shit all day :0)

(Whatddaya 'what's new'?)

I'm really going now... my gurls car is a commin', I can hear it rattlin' over them thar hills!

(Anonymous) Fri Aug 25 10:52:31 EDT 2000

I've gone Morfe bye.. have a sunshiney weekend.

Give us a bell Izz when you get back from KARATEEEEE...and enjoy Johnny :-(

Cheerio all and sundry.

Nat x

Izzy Fri Aug 25 11:45:17 EDT 2000

Taps fingers...

Hums a little...

Tests the echo:

"cooeey! 'sgreat in here innit?"

Sighs, and begins rooting around nose. Soon gets bored with that and wonders what armpits really do smell of...

woof! it must be friday, only another 2 days until I bath!

Makes faces out of the patterns on the walls, then tries to imitate them. "grrrr"


perhaps I should be off too


Marc Fri Aug 25 15:02:28 EDT 2000

Shepherds Bush is a great venue, go there if you can.

The bloke who runs the Antique Shop at Avebury Bus Station is so nice !

He once took me to the Devil's Den in his cool old Volvo. Wow !

That was a good one.

Go and have a chat there.

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The Snorer Explorer Tue Aug 29 07:50:27 EDT 2000

Hey Folks,long time no post!.

Glad to see everyone is ok and the discussions are still as rambling as usual.Today my armpits smell of....the crappy Tesco Value conditioner we had to buy.

Got my tickets for Southampton at last.Row 5 in the middle next to the right-hand aisle!I can't wait.

It's ben so long since I've been here I can't think what to write(the library internet has been fully booked everytime I've tried to get on.) If any of you live near an HMV check out the sales-you can get all 3 MC5 cd for 4.99each!Bargin.

Got to go now as there is a queue behind me.

Nearly forgot-there'll be a new issue of SnorerExplorer out in time for the tour.

See Y'all

Trav tripalot.com/travis Wed Aug 30 14:24:41 EDT 2000

Wow, I'm looking at this in lynx and it actually works! Cool!

Anyway, I am planning on buying a MultiEffects pedal (or box) and I am looking for recommendations. Billy mentioned the Zoom box, and I think I can get one for around $150. I don't remember the exact model number, though.

Does anyone here use a Zoom box, and if so, do you think it's a good starter box? Right now I just have a $30 Boss DS-1 distortion pedal and a really lame reverb box that I want to replace. Will a Zoom box be a decent step up? I would be using it primarily with my guitar (which I can't really play); if it can do neat things with my keyboard or vocals, that's a bonus, but right now I'm just looking for something simple, not too expensive, and good sounding.

Someone told me that Zoom pedals can be a little noisy, but that doesn't bother me; I'm not going to be playing any precise, "clean" guitar. I'm going more for a distorted punk/post-punk mess. Something that sounds like a garage band rather than a bedroom band.



Shrimp midsuffolk@unisonfree.net Wed Aug 30 16:31:51 EDT 2000


I have one of their multi effects pedals and it is basically a glorified distortion and echo box with numerous parameters to mix and match - you spend most of your time playing with yourself!

GFX-707 its called - instant metal!!


starry eyes starryeyes@btinternet.com Thu Aug 31 17:31:48 EDT 2000


It's the first time I've been in here - but I've been on HH's H2H plenty of times, as some of you know.

Thought I'd start off with a little surprise (if you haven't been to the aforementioned site yet, that is) - i've done a Cope fanzine and since I got it printed free, i thought I'd give them away free! Well, send me a stamp and you'll get one anyway.

get in touch! - starry eyes, flat 4, 6 montague road, birmingham B16 9hr

seeya later!

Nat Stretch@yearn.com Sun Sep 3 06:15:53 EDT 2000

HELLO! I'm back!! Wooooo hooooooo

feeling refreshed and smelling of roses...go on holiday its grrreeeaaattt.

Didn't make it to Avebury, me and you must go Izzy, fed up of Steve pulling faces everytime I mention it...Ring me too I've had mail!! nudge nudge wink wink.....

The Tate Modern is fantastic, very very saucey...go and find Brontasaurus!!!

Now we've just got the Tour to look forward too!! Hoorah.. Snorer Explorer - Izz and me and copious people are front row SOuthampton, so we'll meet ya in the bar for a swift half if you'd like!!

Speak to you all later.... how was the Curry Morfe, bit of a stinker?

I'm so happy today.... ahhhhhhh Freak Out...

Hello Starry eyes (Not 'Starry Starry Night, paint your pallet blue and grey, look out on a summers day... da da da deee doooo, colours changing hue....) :-)

Stick around, sometimes things get interesting!!

Nat x

Izzy wwwhardasnails.com Mon Sep 4 03:35:26 EDT 2000

Morning all! I'm back too. Anyone got any spare knees? Mine are worn out from a week of standing on one leg.

Shame you didn't make Avebury Nat, why's Steve grumpy about it?

Hi and welcome Starry Eyes, seen you post on H2H lots.

Sounds like you are very near us in the Guildhall, Snorer, so there ain't no getting away! Ice creams in the foyer? Very civilised...

Nat Boring@oldfart.com Mon Sep 4 05:18:30 EDT 2000

Steves just a grumpy old basket Izz!! You've met him!! Can't see the interest of walking for hours round stones!

He finds it boring! Takes all sorts I suppose....

Anyway grasshopper, must dash.

Nat xx

Buzzard of Morfe morfe@purpleturtle.com Mon Sep 4 14:06:37 EDT 2000


A monumental and farting halt back from Wales, land of giant rocks and small standing stones.

Oh the beauty!

Thank's Nat, the curry kept a good head of steam, right through our 2 day delay before heading off. Pah. Mother in law's dogs, vets and stuff. Pah. Did we mind. Not a jot. Cregennen is the most peaceful spot if you get there in the morning. The standing stones aren't waymarked, so it's worth rooting about. They look like spearheads pointing up at the sun. Yes, SUN, two days of it, in Wales! Unheard of.

I miss Avebury too. Sniff. Next time eh!

Hello Starry One, did you get my re-directed mail?

And Izzy is 'hard as nails' (?) what gives ;-)

Still to get our tickets for Nov. Bahh. Where is that overused piece of plastic now, hnnmmmmmm? I'm such a tight arse. Council tax, or Cope? Oh all right then....

beee blessed. ospreys look bigger than buzzards, but I'm not sore. I've got style, and they're rare and precious. Hmf.

(I DID see one, nature lovers...)

Izzy Tue Sep 5 04:08:28 EDT 2000

Well actually its more 'harda snails', because they are...I find out by how much tonight...

Oh Wales, how I love thee. You lucky fella Buzz. Somehow I don't think I'd recognise the place in the sun.

Relived a childhood dream last night - to become Pauline Black. I still haven't managed it but its a good ambition to have. Last time I saw her ('bout 5 years ago) the chic still kicked arse...wow. Nearly knocked out by the clumsy keyboard player though...

Buzzard of Morfe Tue Sep 5 05:02:47 EDT 2000

Harder snails?

mwffwyyummp snee, snee, hatstand. gibber?

I think I'll have to trust you on that one. Good luck tonight ;)

Why are hatstands more surreal than, say, chairs?

Izzy Tue Sep 5 05:26:19 EDT 2000

Hatstand-dishcloth, I recon...

FYI: Just received a chain letter, it confused me for a while. Checked it out on the web - apparently 'John Craig' aka 'Craig Shergold' formerly of Carshalton, Surrey is now 21 and fully recovered from his cancer and the family (and current occupants of his former address) are pleeing that people stop sending them compliments slips and get-well cards. Pass it on...

(Anonymous) Tue Sep 5 05:40:09 EDT 2000

Of course, as Pauline Black, you could subject any number of invertebrates to too much pressure. So to speak...

On a more serious note, the Monarch butterfly is killed by the pollen of one GM crop. The food chain is unsafe if we let them continue their 'Bio-scientific' barbarity.

Science is 'big business again, and they may be hounded from country to country, yet the dust will settle, and they will probably have their way in the end. America for one accepts 99% of science, and Blair is doing his bit over here, the slimy get, bllrragh. Sorry.

Izzy, as the resident Rail On scientist, how do you feel about the issue? (is that a loaded question? No!;-) ), and will they eventually start on the ocean, with genetically modified, nourishment rich, fast growing superweed or plankton?

I know this isn't directly Cope related, but Cope is Rail On is HH is U-Know is not some glib fan base churning out platitudes and fan-facts. Thank the heavens!

Bee Blessed

Izzy Tue Sep 5 06:51:22 EDT 2000

Oh to be a three minute hero...

How very flattered I am to be asked my opinion!

Like most scientists, I act on 'gut feelings' ('scientific method' - pah! Not from what I have seen..) and my gut feeling is that GM crops are deeply dodgy (technical term). The GM companies are clearly in existence to make a big profit, how can anyone trust them to thoroughly (whatever that may be) investigate the total impact of their products and to honestly publish all their findings. Its never happened before...

Once more it seems to be the poorer people who are being shat apon and used as a testing ground. If evil exists, its in the hearts of the people who think this is a reasonable way to run a business.

As you say, they probably will have their way in the end but the longer we fight/protest/boycott the less profitable the products become. Unfortunately, it comes down to money again...

Here's one: I still avoid buying Nestle products but I'm now totally lost as to why. Can you remind me please?

Hell, Buzz, its only thee and me today (Nat is away) so we can talk about what we like!

(Anonymous) Tue Sep 5 06:51:59 EDT 2000

doesn't she go on

Del Tue Sep 5 06:52:19 EDT 2000

How's this for coincidence?

Across the road from where I work (a little place on ths Sth Coast along from Brighton) is a little caff. For the last couple of weeks, the owners have been on hols, and let some filming be done in the caff.

I asked them today what it was (the filming) and it's a comedy to be shown on BBC2 in a couple of months called...'Beautiful love'!!

Buzzards are wonderful, but so are Harriers and Peregrines (there's a pair of Peregrines nesting not far from here).

Pauline Black...there's a name from the past. Was it a full set or just a couple of tunes? What a fantastic voice.

...Now I'm dancing on my own.


andrew common.era@hotbot.com http://www.trampolene.ca Tue Sep 5 10:10:09 EDT 2000

Hello all. I have finally managed to get the Modern Antiquarian show converted from PAL to NTSC and watched it for the first time this weekend. Awesome! Especially because I had not long returned from 3 glorious weeks travelling England and Scotland and visiting many stones myself.

So if anyone in North America wants a copy then drop me a line and we can take it from there. The sound clips of Brain donor sound brilliant, can't wait to hear more from them.


Buzzard of Morfe Tue Sep 5 13:28:40 EDT 2000

oop's, sorry Izz, I thought everyone had gone home and then promptly vegged out with a surreal film starring David Niven as a dead airman who had tricked death(?) or something.

And I don't know WHO that unkind and cowardly (anon as ever) person was. I don't know, you get a (really) serious debate going, then one of the protaganists drops off, and a joker enters the arena for a put down. It makes you wanna.... hhheeyyyyy-

forget them!, fafafa fine, as Annexus kindly reminded me recently.

Yes Del, I agree, peregrines are indeed awe inspiring, I usually watch them in S Devon, they are FAST! The only harriers I get to see are the RAF ones buzzing our gaff. That's one of the prices you pay for trying to get away from it all!

By the way Izz, I remember boycotting Nestle on account of their supplying powdered milk to 3rd world countries who had rotten water, knowing full well that re-hydration made the guy's ill.

No doubt they use shitloads of factory/veal producing/cow crippling milk as well. I hope that helped your ailing memory;-)

Rail On...

and bee blessed X

Izzy Wed Sep 6 04:16:01 EDT 2000

Mornin' all

So did you get in the comedy as an extra Del? Which one are you? I seem to remember discriptions of you by other RailOn subscribers from your failed-to-meet at Avebury. Or was it another Del?

Buzz, please have a veg out for me too! That coward was actually the other me, so fret not! Nestle baby milk, that's right. Similar to the Fanta episode and now we have Monsanto...

It occurred to me in that half awake state (that I spend most of my life, in fact) that an some drug production supports 'evil' regimes, yet I've never heard that as a reason not to take drugs. Or perhaps I am wrong.

So Andrew, where did you visit? Got any photos?

I've got my photos from Snowdonia and Ireland. Not too happy with the colour, but I'll get them on the web somewhen. Only dissappointed that the film I lost had all the pics of the beautiful days spent in Betws-I-Coed, and two wonderful tombs, one on Anglesey and one Near Dublin. Pls keep your eyes peeeled!

Del luvvie@RADA.com Wed Sep 6 06:55:10 EDT 2000

Sorry Izzy, no such luck. It was all interior shots with the caff disguised as a florists (I don't know how they'll pull that off).

You must be thinking of another Del. I'm yet to meet (or arrange to not meet) other RailOn-ers, but I'm going to the Brighton gig on me Tod, if anyone wants to meet up.

Morfe, can't remember the last time I saw a harrier, I just remember it was beautiful to watch.


Nat Oisucker@Haha.com Thu Sep 7 05:16:05 EDT 2000

Izz - Sorry mate, that was me that fell for the chain letter thing. I felt so sorry for that kid - should have checked his age really!! Working with the people I do you get alsorts of heartfelt 'help me' letters coming through and to be honest its easier for me to belive them all!! :-( Sorry.... DOH..

Anyway, ho hum.... do do doo.

Nat xx

Izzy Thu Sep 7 06:49:41 EDT 2000

Not a problem at all Nat. I wish I wasn't such a cynic, scourge of our society. Take the millenium done for instance.... I thought I would try to publicise the fact that it is a cancelled chain letter, just in case any of the five of us who read this receive one in the future...

Jeez, its september isn't it? I MUST get knitting...

Nat IamDelia@smith.com Thu Sep 7 07:52:05 EDT 2000

Anyone know of a good receipe which involves about 14 tonnes of green tomatoes!! Yep its September and my tom's are still green!!! No Aubergine and no Pumpkin... DOH.

Izz - You knit and I'll make a HUGE TRIFLE..

The Gulible One that is Nat xx ;-)

Izzy knitting@clicketyclick.com Thu Sep 7 09:52:36 EDT 2000

Johnny! Don't point that gun at me!

So will my tomatoes not go red now that it is september? My mum made a smashing green tomato chutney a few years ago. I'll see if I can get the recipe from her. Got lots of jam jars if needed...

Nat tomtom@atoes.com Thu Sep 7 10:51:07 EDT 2000

Izz - They might do if they get some sunshine!! Granny reckons I should wrap them in newspaper and put them in the airing cupboard, Dad says to put them on a sunny window sill!! Hmmmm might need those jam jars.... chutney anyone!

Hows the chillies doing Morfe? I have 4 HUGE peppers on the go.

Blimey - A right old gardening sess with the rail on! I wonder if all Julian Cope fans are green fingered, animal loving mad people, who like knitting and making trifle or is that just me and Izzy!! ;-)

Nat x

Nat Thu Sep 7 10:57:30 EDT 2000

Izz - I feel a chutney session with your swift chopper coming on!

Few beers, Monsieur Depp and a few crackers and dipps... what more does a girl need ;-)

Anyway I've waffled too much today. Home.


Boolbar Thu Sep 7 11:25:36 EDT 2000

Trifle !! Mmmmh Yes ! Especially with raspberries.

My fingers were green yesterday after uprooting loads of triffid like angelica from the driveway. I later watered the frogs (they just love that sprinklyness) and my wife occasionally knits.

Cash For Questions : send your questions for Cope to Q magazine and if printed (ie. answered by Cope) then you get 25 quid. If you need more info. I'll get the addy and details tomorrow.

johnny john.w.smith@expro.shell.co.uk shoot@thehead.com Thu Sep 7 11:41:04 EDT 2000

Bugger, take me a while to get used to this again....

Izzy, wot does: "Johnny! Don't point that gun at me!", mean? I've heard that before somewhere in the dim and distant past.

Nat, Chutney?, chopper? -oo-er, no pet ferrets I hope!!?


Buzzard Of Morfe going to the ward/dogs.com Thu Sep 7 15:20:21 EDT 2000


No such luck with the chillies Nat! They're big and green, with little flowers, but ne'ry a chilli in sight :-(

I've got to hop off to hospital for a few days for some (no doubt painful) intensive physio, again!

I'll bloody well walk out without it if I'm to be cooped up with doddery arthritics for more than a day!

Bee Blessed.

I'll be back!

starry eyes aspireforlife@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 18:35:41 EDT 2000


Morfe - didn't get your mail, BTInternet are no more with me, try the one off this posting, it's my new one. Sadly microsoft, but at least it works.

Envy, envy, envy about you going to Wales - have been doing some writing about it the last few days and have been having weird feelings - kind of daydreaming about being there, but it's a very clear daydream, almost tangible as if part of me is there. Strange but very cool sensation! Cregennen! Give me a tent now and I'd live out there. Hugely underrated. Did you go out on the road towards Llyngwril? (Turn right at the junction where the road to the lake joins the Dolgellau road). Some amazing stuff up there including this phallic looking stone which is shaped so weirdly - almost an optical illusion. Have photos I want to get developed, I'll post some on the net when I do.

Hope all goes well with the physio!

Nat - the starry eyes 'thang' is a straightforward pinch of a very cool cope b-side, although people have been coming up with some alternatives I like a lot!

Anyway, enough!

Nat AlanTichmarshsharesmybirthday.com Fri Sep 8 04:29:28 EDT 2000

Morfe - if you've got flowers then you should get chillies!! Don't over water and keep it warm it's not too late you know!! I was picking them off up until November last year!! All the best with the hospital.... be thinking of you! Think positive thoughts..and remember your a womble ;-)

John - no pet ferret I'm afraid! I do however own a very very scarey mouse called Jimmy 'oooooo he'd bite ya soon as look at ya'...

Not long until October Woooo hooooo....

Nat xx

Boolbar Fri Sep 8 04:46:19 EDT 2000

Q magazine cash for questions :

Email your question to q@ecm.emap.com with your name and address. Subject "Cash for Questions - Julian Cope".

If it is answered by JC and published then you get 25 quid.

Talal talalhoy@emirates.net.ae Sat Sep 9 18:06:51 EDT 2000

I always dream to have sweedish girlfriend!

Can you help me to get one????

Shrimp midsuffolk@unisonfree.net Sun Sep 10 07:19:43 EDT 2000

Hi ya all - anyone know what going on at HH as the site appears to have got sutck in time and can't be updated or posted to.

Kaiser Chris the Webmeister are you out there.

A new Cope CD to go with the tour as a programme and a Brain Doner CD as well! WOOOOJJJDS!!


Steven swaldfogle@aol.com Sun Sep 10 11:18:21 EDT 2000


Here's the msg that I get when I go to HH:

Hi... you probably weren't expecting this, but, well the worst has happened!

Our WebServer has had problems with it's hard drive ...

We're rebuilding it at the moment, so please bear with us

Thank you


Hopefully it won't be long..I need my Unsung fix


Digging Ash Ra Tempel right now

Any Amon Duul recommendations?

Oh and Nat...if'n yer tomatoes aren't ripening,do as your pa said..put them on a sunny window sill


Shrimp midsuffolk@unisonfree.net Sun Sep 10 13:31:08 EDT 2000

Thanks Steven

As for Duul - Parradieswarts Duul is my favorite Duul I and Wolf City Duul II.

If you like early Ash Ra Tempel then I'm sure that you will get off on Paradieswarts and especially the Cd with the extra tracks.


Steven Sun Sep 10 14:35:55 EDT 2000

Thankee much shrimp

I just picked up Ash Ra Tempel's(ART!) first..which I lurve. and have grabbed a few tracks from Schwingungen and Seven Up off napster which I dig..(anyone ever bought from Wherehouse?..they have those two albums on a single disc..CHEAP)

Thanks for the recommnedations..any particular good source for them?

(realizing I'm Stateside here...a rainy very autumnal stateside at that)

starry eyes aspireforlife@hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 17:13:56 EDT 2000

Talking about the Duul - found a live album in the library of all places and after a fair to middling start it really built up to something cool - not bad for my first intro to their stuff.

Just wondering about the rest now and elsewhere..... In cornucopea style stuff they have about 10 groundhogs CD's at the same library, which I might dip into! Can anyone recommend a good start?

Shrimp Sun Sep 10 17:23:45 EDT 2000

Try the search engine on the following site - just type in duul and you should find the cds albeit $16 and $18 - but at least they are there. http://www.forcedexposure.com/

Shrimp Sun Sep 10 17:30:51 EDT 2000

Aren't libraries strange - some weird stuff in there - how come they get it?

If you check out the Groudhogs CD's you probably will not find Split but if you do, get it and do not take it back! not until you get a copy of it anyway. The early 70's albums are all worthwhile and whilst they are mainly heavy blues based they are not that cut and dried that they do not verge into spacey guitar jams. Check out the Groundhogs piece from Julian on HH and there is a lot of info.

Is the Duul disc the BBC live disc or Live in London?

Check out a couple of the discs and give them a whirl.


(Anonymous) Sun Sep 10 17:33:58 EDT 2000

The Groundhogs by Julian Cope (borrowed from HH)

The Groundhogs:

Men of Destiny with secret thoughts of Saving the World

In the very early 1970s, the Groundhogs were an ultra-hip, Utopian musical force playing their Top 10 album songs on Top of the Pops and recording alongside Can, Hawkwind and Amon Duul 2 for Andrew Lauder's groundbreaking Liberty/United Artists record label. And, like the above mentioned groups, the Groundhogs' albums were housed in supercool gatefolds or triple-gatefolds or even 12" x 15" unfolding comic books which portrayed the individual group members as superheroes. The Groundhogs referred to themselves as 'Men of Destiny with secret thoughts of saving the world', and gave their albums titles such as Thank Christ for the Bomb, Split and (best of all) Who Will Save the World? The Mighty Groundhogs!

And the Groundhogs music was something else entirely. It was a frantic and unresolved post-blues played at breakneck speed with a hard non-hippy idealism and drumming that sounded as though the god Thor was using the gasworks as tom-toms. At a time when the likes of Eric Clapton were brown-nosing the blues with Spanish galleon-sized ensembles of horns and extra percussionists, the trio known as the Groundhogs were taking blues riffs into the same uncharted territory as the MC5, the Stooges and the Krautrock groups. Their frantic songs of alienation would piledrive along only to disintegrate into whoops of feedback and sonic wah-distortion. Most white blues-based groups were latecomers straitjacketed by their need to cop what they saw as 'the formula', but the Groundhogs' experience with John Lee Hooker in the early '60s had shown them that the real bluesmen adhered to no formula. Subsequent work with free-form freaks '60s Hapshash &the Coloured Coat opened the doors still further until the Groundhogs refused even to boogie. Indeed, to call them the blues is to call Ash Ra Tempel the blues. The Groundhogs surfed the hinterlands between California's The Misunderstood and George Clinton's epic early-Funkadelic guitar histrionics. It was a post-Hendrix yawp that kissed your sonic ass goodbye.

But who were these Groundhogs? And why are they not household names nowadays? Well, I'll y'all. The Groundhogs were led by an underground legend of the British music scene called Tony (T.S.) McPhee, a man with no apparent desire for self-promotion and certainly no time for the power-that-were who had to be placated during the early 1970s. At a time when rock'n'roll was calling itself Progressive Rock, T.S. McPhee was the real thing. At a time when his labelmates Hawkwind were stagnating to the point of un-ironically naming their greatest hits album Stasis, T.S. McPhee was evolving as any true Utopian should. Like contemporaries such as Todd Rundgren, T.S. McPhee did not burn out on the one riff but hurled himself projectile-like into experiment. He played with Amon Duul 2, he bought Mellotrons and synthesizers, and took his music off into the reaches where even his fans and the rest of his band could not follow. Damn! I for one bore the brunt of his commitment to experiment during the punk era, when, as a member of Liverpool failures A Shallow Madness, I bought a copy of T.S. McPhee's solo album from a second-hand shop in Belmont Road. Our singer, the pre-Bunnyman Ian McCulloch, jeered me all the way back to rehearsals and, from that moment on, the cracks in our relationship began.

Though T.S. McPhee has done nothing at all to advertise the fact, the Groundhogs have often played together from time-to-time since their early '70s peak. But since I've begun to tell others that they are playing at this April's Cornucopea, I've been amazed to discover that there are still loads of Groundhogs fans waiting to see them again. The members of Wire and Spiritualized, even the comedian Vic Reeves; they're all proclaimed Groundhogs fanatics. The Fall have even recorded a version of 'Junkman' from the 'Hogs' legendary Split LP - apparently Mark Smith credited it to 'McFree'! It should be noted that those looking for the easiest way into the Groundhogs could do no better than buying a copy of Split, and pronto, Tonto. It reveals all the headlong rush and roar of the band whilst simultaneously demonstrating T.S. McPhee's singular approach to the mysterious rock'n'roll muse: for example, the four songs on side one were known simply as 'Split 1', 'Split 2', 'Split 3' and 'Split 4'. On side two is 'Cherry Red', the song they played on Top of the Pops and which became the name of one of punk's most famous record-labels. Oh, and of course there's the Groundhogs' own version of 'Junkman'. As a 15-year-old, I'd sit in the living-room of local axe-hero Trevor Mugglestone and watch him mime ecstatically to the guitar freakout in which T.S. makes his Stratocaster sound like the flushing of an electric toilet! Hey, who else could do that? Twenty-nine years later, I'm so proud to have them play at Cornucopea. Come down and see if we can collectively coax a new bog-flush version out of T.S. McPhee. As Paul Smith from Blast First Records said recently, the Groundhogs is a revival just waiting to happen.

Nat ANARCHY@uk.com Mon Sep 11 07:44:06 EDT 2000

Wooo the whole country has gone mad!!

Went to see Citizen Fish on Friday Night - PUNK RULES Anarchy.... ;-) And a stunning band called SMOG UK, Brilliant..

I'm going to re-dye my hair purple and start wearing chains on my jeans ;-)

Then Britain is in a sort of gridlock by running out of petrol! Whats going on... Lorries being baracaded into SHELL by anarchic people.. woo excellent stuff!! ASDA at Chandlers Ford has loads of petrol according to the local news so thats alright.. phew!

I always thought that August was the silly month, but it looks like its slipped to September!

Cripes.. I'm off to look for more anarchic beings.

(Oh my tomatoes have all been destroyed as I contracted a fungus! and they all went mouldy - overnight. Anarchic Tomatoes.... "Liberation for Toms that what I preach")


Nat xx

(Oh Izz - I saw Rolf Harris in town on Saturday can't get more rebelious than that can you!)

Chris chris@kleber.net Mon Sep 11 08:18:49 EDT 2000


Our server (which hosts HH) fell over and died on Friday. We've restored pretty much everything and hope to get the forums etc back on-line later today.

What a marvellous weekend I've had. Oh yeah.

Thanks for bearing with us!



pristine got a cold@issue.net www.thepristinemachine.net Mon Sep 11 08:27:09 EDT 2000

It's great when you don't drive!


Nat Mon Sep 11 11:12:24 EDT 2000

The absolutely delicious Mark & Lard just mentioned our Jules on the Radio!! Said how much they loved him... ahhhhhhhh sweet!!

'No hard Shoulder to cry on' was their choice for the 'cheesily topical tea time triple tracker' Or what ever its called nowadays.


"Useless facts Nat" signing off for the day!

Steven veggies@risk Mon Sep 11 12:49:06 EDT 2000


You contracted a fungus to kill your tomatoes?

Like a moldy hitman or something?

geez..I don't know what they did to offend you,but I'll sure try to keep on your good side;-)


chilies..watch your backs!

aspireforlife @hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 14:45:54 EDT 2000

It was the BBC live Duul CD I got.

Thanks for all the posts about Duul / Groundhogs - I'll definitely be picking up some of the latter's stuff from the library.

I do reckon music libraries are the most weirdly eclectic places on earth - and you hardly have to sift through the crap either since it (Corrs, Geri halliwell, etc) is always out on loan. So they are little heavens of musical delight!!

Nat Not mushroom in here.com Tue Sep 12 07:31:21 EDT 2000

Oh poo, I've been rumbled by a human called Steven, now you know I'm not actually human, I am infact a fungus :-(

Back to my damp world of moldiness....

Nat xx

(It's the problem with growing organic unfortunately couldn't stop the fungis without chemicals!! No Toms for me next year!)

Pristine thecatsatonam@pristinemachine.net www.thepristinemachine.net Tue Sep 12 07:39:57 EDT 2000

According to my colleague, we aren't human at all. We are all androids. He went to some museaum in Bradford or other that has a working model of the human eye and he could swear it looks just like something a 1950s sci-fi style android might have...

I'm rambling I suppose...

Must be my circuits overloading...


Steven Tue Sep 12 11:14:31 EDT 2000


So you contracted a fungus to kill your tomatoes?

What?..like a moldy hitman or something?

geez..remind me to never get on your bad side

Chilies..watch your back!

(or your 'peas' and q's)

existential cowboy sad sweetheart@the rodeo Tue Sep 12 12:05:00 EDT 2000

autogedden Anarchy in the UK? pish posh oh my gosh... walk... I gotta walk... dance behind a funeral cart!

According to my colleauge, all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all of one conscience and sharing ourselves subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.

mourldy toms, hmmm, my fan runs 24 hrs/day, no prob. you could do the de-humidifier, or go all out with an oxygen injection system. Both alittle too pricey for me.... any thoughts Andrew?

Anyone know the tele # for Fawlty Towers?

Can someone check the British Embassy in Poland for PaulB? I'm afraid a he may have done that 'invasion' thing. I know, I know! I tried to convince him it should be Sweeden (girls and Vodka), but noooo...

are you particular about the make of the tape ms. starry eyes?...er that is starry as in star... or as in stare? I'm not parinoid, just curious george...

droolian out the side of my mouth,


Steven Tue Sep 12 18:38:06 EDT 2000

Geez..damn repetitious of me...none of those things posted ..sooo...geez is my face tomato colored

Stay away Nat!!

Malachy lho63@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 02:44:11 EDT 2000

Hello All

A quick report from the Olympic (read limp dick) city.

"I've Gotta Walk" describes the best way to get around in this city of 4 million souls. Roads that were originally designed for horse and cart are hopelessly clogged with cars. There have been several brave attempts to extinguish the flame - unfortunately the security is too tight. One guy had a huge fire extinguisher under his jacket and he almost did it...oh so close. I'm hoping for bad weather to spoil the epic events, but at this time of year it's unlikely.

One recent post from Nat mentioned the wonderful(?) Rolf Harris - now he should be here stuffing up the Olympic opening ceremony. I would prefer Rolf to the trashy stuff that will be there.

The only sport I care about at the Limp Dicks is soccer - that's important. And I like the Marathon. The rest can go jump...high.

I recommend that all railers boycott the whole thing - don't watch it, don't take any interest in it at all.

And Nat, you should be pleased about the tomatoes. After all fungae has rights too you know. You could think of your tomatoes as food for fungae.

And I'm looking forward to reading reviews of the upcoming Cope performances. As I live in a part of the world that will NEVER see Copey again I don't tire of reading about him. Quite impressed with the HH Q &A stuff too.


Nat Tie me kangaroo down@skippy.com Thu Sep 14 07:10:08 EDT 2000

Rolf is great! He's so cool!! I have a signed photo of him by my bed.

Rights for fungus I like that.. I was looking forward to some yummy yum yum tomatoes though!

My mad large chested friend Rosie Rose is coming over to Sydney in a few weeks, I expect she'll manage to cause havoc somewhere and sometime, watch your local press!! Beautiful west country lass she is!!


Nat Foot in it@oh dear.com Thu Sep 14 07:50:19 EDT 2000

Ahhhhhh Steven, Steven, Steven, it's just clicked that it's you... How ya been me old mucker? How's the sunflowers? And yer loverly cats (Yin &Yang - right bloke wrong cats probably!)

Nat x

(For those interested my Tomatoess were over watered and I think that Vinnie my own HUGE tom cat had a wee wee on them!! Watched a gardening programme last night - causes mould apparently - so there we go, don't wee on yer toms)

(Anonymous) Thu Sep 14 08:20:10 EDT 2000

You miserable old git!

Malachy lho63@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 09:16:17 EDT 2000

Nat - Yes Rolf is indeed great. I really like the sound he makes with his "wobble board" - it actually creates a wonderful resonant sound. Believe it or not the tragically late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's musicians can make sounds with drums that sound almost exactly like the Rolf Harris wobble board. The similarity ends there of course.

Rosie Rose sounds like a fascinating person - not a Cope fan by any chance is she?

Maybe it's not sooooooo bad having an olympics after all...it does bring a heap of interesting non-sport performers to the country. Free concerts in the city every day. No-one will be able to force me to watch sport I guess. It's just the total jingoistic crap that turns me off. Maybe we could adopt tiny countries like Cape Verde Islands or Andorra I guess. Go you Andorran cyclist! Lift that weight you Kiribati hero! Your whole country is watching you you brave San Marino-an. And so on.

What a strangely shrinking world we live in.

Nat Cider with Rosie@pissed.com Thu Sep 14 09:22:58 EDT 2000

Rosie Rose is a very interesting person indeed!! Look out for her she has long blonde 'corkscrew' like hair! (very curley) Ummmm Julian probably not, last time I went through her record collection it contained an awful lot of Matt Bianco! Hmmmmm

I always support these little lesser know countries, as you say makes the Olympics that bit more interesting. Though saying that you may aswell support the UK really! I don't think we'll be doing that well, apart from in the rowing and archery!!


Steven swaldfogle@aol.com Thu Sep 14 11:24:47 EDT 2000


Doin'pretty scrum today thanks but it was a better/worse thing going there for a bit.The garden and plants in general..even the tomatoes..are doing great this year.Everything has been growing like mad.The corn across the road is easily over 14feet..a nice shield from the outside world.

Yin,Yang,Omi and Rev are all well,thankee.And actually when I was in Boston at the end of July we got adopted by another..a charcoal suede furred lil'un named Maize..yep..was lost in the corn field and wandered out after a few days of calling.Healthy and all now.

We also just had two more arrivals..one showing up on monday and his brother straggling in yesterday...ornage and half starved...probably more drop offs.getting far too many cats.I'll soon end up one of those people who names their pets things like Mr J. Fluffington the Thrird,and INSISTS that be called that!

Anyway..while I was in B-town I picked up that Ash Ra and also a disc I'm not too keen on by the Third Ear Band..I saw Simon House as a member and thought it might be interesting...umm....kind of Renfesty sounding I thought,but some folks like that sort of thing.It's called Hamlet and is music composed for select passages from the play.A wondeful concept,but the music just doesn't swing with me.

Anyone intersted in the disc,feel free to msg me at the above

It's not for me,but others may enjoy it

And on a Cope note..I took Rite and Odin with me on the trip and swayed a few people who were only familiar with him from his *shudder* St Julian days

(meaning his leather rock gawd look and slick production.I've gone to like the album more over the years,but I've also become far more tolerant in ways)

Nat..send me you e-addy again so i don't have to go on boring folks with my Ohio minutia

Hellos to Andrew,[Marc],Russ and Trav as well.Hope all are well


-who won't be watching any of the Olympics..not out of protest,just apathy

Farmer Steven greeenthumb@times Thu Sep 14 11:29:17 EDT 2000

Oh and Nat

If you didn't already do it this year,next year put straw under your 'mater plants.It helps absorb moisture and keeps them from sitting on the wet ground.

rich belbinoid@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 18:59:41 EDT 2000

Groovy, nicking a laptop for a few days meansI can catch up with all the exciting tranmere &Copey news. Bejesus - and everything nat's done for the last three months too.

So, who else is going to Leeds? Extreme untogetherness means I could only get tickets in the circle, may have to exchange them with a tout for some better ones. Tho good circle seats are probably as good as crap stalls one's - nice venue City varieties tho.

Why, tho, is Cope only bothering to release another new album via gig/Head Heritage only? Doesn't he want any new fans? Any fans who cant go to gigs and don't have a computer - there must be one or two of them.

Did no-one else go to Reading/Leeds? Saw Lupine Howl who were mighty fine, and who I'll undoubtedly be checking out again when they play the Leadmill in November. Even if my girlfriend did say they sounded like Hawkwind (fair enuf), and (very big shudder) Kula Shaker!!!

Bloody Olympics, can kiss goodbye to Seinfeld for the next few weeks.

And finally, anyone off to Prague to destroy the World Bank/IMF on the 26th?

Be monstrously monstrous my dear people


Nat alert.com Fri Sep 15 10:27:19 EDT 2000

Hello georgeous Mr Belbin....

Nat Fri Sep 15 10:37:38 EDT 2000

Blimey, not sure what happened there, one minute typing next minute I have half a message on the screen!! Woooooo spooky goings on.

As a general discussion point for the weekend people taking on from Richards message: How many of you out there in Cope Rail On land, seriously think that Julian can get NEW fans? Is his fan base so completely solid that he doesn't need or want new fans? I have found that it takes a certin kind of person to be a Cope fan, are there anymore out there!!

Please discuss.... ;-)

Mr Belbin - Ahhhhhhhhh speak to you promise Big Kiss.


Trav tripalot.com/travis Fri Sep 15 21:22:49 EDT 2000

Hey guys!

NASA was having network problems today, and swa.com was inaccessable for several hours. Everything looks good now.

In other news, I'm gonna be moving Rail On and *all* my web pages to a new, faster, friendlier server (www.swa.com instead of cyclone.swa.com). This should happen within the next week or so. I'll be sure to make the transition as smooth as possible.

So get your fingers poised on your "Organize Favorites" buttons! :)

Oh yeah, I uploaded a test recording to mp3.com [now defunct -- Trav]

Someone wrote me and said he heard the Julian Cope influence. I said to myself, "WHAT???" It's just a silly little improv test, with me on guitar (!) and my glorious Korg Triton in the background playing a canned rhythm. No key changes, no sequencing, no overdubs, no planning; I just played! The synths you hear are sustained via my damper pedal; I played them at the same time I played the guitar, which was plugged into the Triton to have access to its effects. The Triton rocks!!!

Anyway, I hate to sound like a self-plugger, but I *really* enjoy listening to this test over and over and over again, as dumb &sloppy as it is, and I am curious if it "grips" any of you in the same way... This is me trying to "share the wealth"... All coolness is attributable to my Triton, not me!

If you don't want to download it from mp3.com, I also uploaded it to cyclone, but cyclone's been acting very sluggish recently.

Let's see... I got an audio interface today: MidiMan 44. Plugged it in and it sounds great! I'm also going to be getting an expression pedal on Wednesday or so...

See? I'm getting prepared for the new Cope tribute CD. :)

Talk to you soon.


ron chilled out@the ranch Fri Sep 15 22:09:28 EDT 2000

New fans... hmmm, was just discussing that earlier with someone whose name now escapes me... surely or is it shirley? there are literally millions out there just waiting to be converted. We must don our robes and shamanic dance into every hamlet, hovel, and major metro area in a surpintine manner;o)

seriously, can I ever really be? I've been concerned the past few days about the ole tree falling in the forest story. For those unfamiliar, it is an age old question 'If a tree in the forest falls, and no one is there to hear it. Does it make a sound? Like I said an age old question, which can be argued from either side. My delima, such that it is, If someone dies on the internet, would anyone know? I think about the people I have come to know and like/dislike/love/hate these past few years, and if one were to die, as some humans tend to do occasionally, how would I find out? I don't know but this has be wierding me out the last couple of days...

peace on us all,

ps sorry Trav no speakers on my current pc, it was a brother-in-law 'special', but I'm sure it is totally rocking! gotta go now, the Sweedish deligation is coming in on the Olympics;o)

Richard Hayward Sat Sep 16 10:52:21 EDT 2000

Great news to hear that Julian will be joined on the UK tour by Donald Ross Skinner. This is the best news I have heard in long while,(see september Address Drudion.)

Richard H.

Steven Sat Sep 16 13:45:07 EDT 2000

Wooo..Rail On and HH BOTH working again..there is a God(dess)!

Richard..that is good news about Donn-eye..sadly I wayyyy too broke to come over and see Jules and Co..~grumble grumble~...Enjoy it everyone

Nat..well as I said in a previous post(like anyone reads those things~l~)..I got two people into his Drudeness that hadn't previously been,so it is possible;just requires some missonary work

(stop that tittering in the back!).This gig/site only release plan will surely limit his exposure somewhat;perhaps all the heads can buy in bulk and do aerial bombarments of the discs on the unknowing

Trav..I'll give your mp3 a spin after I'm done napping some Duul

Glad you got things straightened out and are digging your new toys

Fall has arrived early here..I saw my breath this morn while I was walking the pooches

brrrrrrrrrrrr..but a gooood brrrrrr

With the cooler temps and more than adequate rainfall we've has this past summer the autumnal leaf show should be pretty darned spectacular

Good weekends all


Sun Sep 17 02:09:48 EDT 2000

..or not..HH is down again

..poor thing..

denies a higher being as well

..that just mucks up everything

Izzy werewideawake@thewideawakeclub.co.uk Mon Sep 18 04:48:36 EDT 2000

Morning all!

HH is up again, great address drudion. Has all that happened in the last month? I suppose it has! Crumbs. Fuel crisis, my arse! Oh yeah, like NOBODY could get around and they were all having to find alternative forms of transport (though, apparently there was a rush on inner-tubes). I heard the sad tale of a man in London in a queue for the filling station (that incidently was blocking the bus-lane!!!) who was having the traumatic task of filling up his 3rd car. Poor sod, two full cars at home and he still didn't think it was enough!

I went out clubbing on Friday. There were people and we danced and they even played Julian Cope for me and Dr Iron Age. Cool, I'm going to do that again!

Converts to the cause? I'm slowly working on my flatmate and he's coming round, can even spot a Cope record when he hears it.

(Anonymous) Mon Sep 18 05:12:10 EDT 2000

it is true : there ain't no getting round getting round

autogeddon is here

Nat She's pinky and she's brain@mouse.com Mon Sep 18 07:38:38 EDT 2000

Nothing interesting to say today...... so Nat watchers will have a boring time. Mr Belbin you tart ;-)

Nat x

Nat Bit slow today Mon Sep 18 07:45:27 EDT 2000

I've been thinking about exactly the same thing!! How on earth would we know if someone died, blooming sad thing too.... Great minds think alike Ron. Morbid mind you, but real.

I'm still upset about Paula Yates - poor girl I felt for her I really did, probably more upset about her than I was for that Royal Person who died in France, what was her name...ummm. She loved Michael H. I'm just glad thats she's finally with him. :-( sob.


andrew common.era@hotbot.com http://www.trampolene.ca/index.htm Mon Sep 18 11:24:53 EDT 2000

Nice item on eBay right now, it is the original BBC transcript vinyl lp of the Teardrop Explodes 1981 Guildford Civic Hall gig. Item is very rare, I've only ever seen one other copy, but the price is big! ($250 Australian right now).

The folks at xoom.com, who host my site, Trampolene for free, have behind my back sold out to NBC, so the address has changed slightly. The old address will still take you there though. I can't believe it is now part of a huge corporation. The good thing is that is seems to load faster!

Excellent news that Donald Ross Skinner will be joining Jools, can't wait to hear the tapes. My cd burner should be arriving this week, so my project for the winter will be to digitize alot of my Cope tape collection, especially the sessions and interviews.

And finally, hello again Steven, good to hear from you. I hope all is well with you.


no matter not on computer Mon Sep 18 15:41:34 EDT 2000

how about buff manilla and troy tate for the tour.

it worked once and as richie bach o' rhuthun once told me

"you can do it again if you like."

as far as the millions waiting to be converted.

"you can do it again if you like."

brained ownerXX

Izzy taking the challenge Tue Sep 19 04:39:26 EDT 2000


Travis Emmitt, what a luv!

Tonight I shall try to convert a nightclub full of Goths. Anyone got any suggestions for suitable JC tracks?

(Anonymous) Tue Sep 19 08:07:50 EDT 2000

no petrol - an autogeddon sign if there ever was one

Nat leadfreeme@petrol.com Tue Sep 19 08:51:11 EDT 2000

Petrol crisis back on folks!! Panic panic panic.....tut stupid people.

Nat x

pristine itsallahoax@cropcircle.com www.thepristinemachine.net Tue Sep 19 09:03:47 EDT 2000

Someone's just told me it's all a hoax, but I can't be sure.

Maybe something to do with Bill Drummond....who knows...


Nat Thickie@nerd.com Tue Sep 19 09:21:59 EDT 2000

Oh bloody hell - it's always me that falls fall things!

Look flying pig... doh!

"Bill Drummond says, Bill Drummond Says"... apparently, lets blame him anyway.. ;-)

Nat x

pristine couldbewrong@uninformed.com www.thepristinemachine.net Tue Sep 19 09:32:02 EDT 2000

Still not sure if it is or isn't though. Our rumour mill seems to be playing up at the moment!


(Anonymous) Wed Sep 20 03:29:24 EDT 2000

I bought mine 10 years ago for $50

Now biddding starts at $250

from ebay.com


BBC Transcription Discs are the absolute pinnacle of PROMO-ONLY LIVE RADIO SHOWS and are simply IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND!! They are virtually NEVER offered for sale...we know of only one other dealer (in the UK) who very occasionally has them...(we've been dealing worldwide since 1979). For instance, they're never even advertised in the UK's bible of collecting, RECORD COLLECTOR magazine. Less than 100 are ever pressed (there's word to the effect that the true figure is in fact only between 30 and 50), and they have only ever been sent to BBC-affiliated radio stations in the British Empire (e.g Canada, New Zealand, Australia, even India, Malaya, South Africa, etc...as well as within the UK of course). They ideally remain the property of the station and are locked away in their libraries after their solitary airing. They are quite simply the RAREST OF THE RARE in the world of radio show discs.


the TEARDROP EXPLODES - "In Concert - Show #257"; vinyl LP; 1981; cat. #: CN-03831. Recorded live at the Guildford Civic Hall in the UK in mid '81....BRILLIANT performance!!...57 minutes long...the tracks are: BOOKS / THIEF OF BAGHDAD / SLEEPING GAS / PASSIONATE FRIEND / LELA / SUFFOCATE / POPPIES / CULTURE BUNKER / REWARD / WENT CRAZY / SCREAMING SECRETS / WHEN I DREAM / THE GREAT DOMINIONS / TREASON.. Includes four original A4 sides of cue sheets (cover sheet includes small ethereal live pic of St. Julian).. This is 100% official, and guaranteed original! (absolutely no hint or sniff of bootleg here)...and the sound quality is perfect!! Comes in its original brownish-yellow die-cut sleeve, with green and white labels (information overprinted in black). CONDITION: (MINT!) ......

andrew common.era@hotbot.com Wed Sep 20 10:20:28 EDT 2000

It is $250 Australian though, which is about $135US, not that that makes it any easier to swallow!

(Anonymous) Wed Sep 20 22:59:47 EDT 2000

rest in peace Pete Defrietas

ed edowie@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 19:33:45 EDT 2000

cope rocks!

Buzzard Of Morfe Sat Sep 23 08:50:59 EDT 2000

Well yes he does.

Nat Mon Sep 25 08:09:02 EDT 2000

Just flicking through the Internet type thing and read that Julian is in the credits as a songwriter for Night of the Living Dead 2!! Hmmm now is this our Julian or someone using his name in vain!!

I also found a 12" at home by some band called The Dictators - something about 'watching my TV' or something and I found a picture of them and they look really dodgy! So does anyone know about them (apart from the fact they did a Stooges cover) and whether they sound any good. Having seen their hair I'm loathed to play the 12"!!

I tell you something for nothing this Internet malarky is rather good! ;-)

Good to have you back Morfe!

Nat xx

Steven Mon Sep 25 15:04:53 EDT 2000


There was a Cope song used on the NotLD2 soundtrack,but I can't recall which one it is right now;I'm sure one of out helpful heads will pop in the with info soon though.It wasn't written especially for the film or anything (gads no!)..just one of his 'hits' (urgh..and I can almost remember what it is..Russ or Andrew's site should have it listed)

As far as The Dictators go,give the album a spin...late 70's NY punk,a bit jokey but a few good songs that I've heard.Sounds like you have Manifest Destiny.My old battered Trouser Press guide gives it a pretty good review and mentions the track "Sleepin' With the TV On" as being 'brilliant',giving the same accolade to "Science Gone Too Far" and says the band does a 'stunning rip' through "Search and Destroy". I've heard a couple of these songs and a few others as well,"Faster and Louder" and the much-covered "California Sun",and it's good mindless fun.

Actually,I think there may be a copy in with my older brother's stack o'left-behinds.

Maybe every home was issued one surreptitiously.

Well worth a listen next time you feel like dancing silly 'round the living room

Hope that helps



Russ Mon Sep 25 15:39:56 EDT 2000

I think the track on the night of the LD is Trampolene but i'm not sure I have a copy but its packed away at the moment as i'm ripping the house apart (god I wish i'd not started it!)..........


copefreak rmct@retemail.es Mon Sep 25 17:43:34 EDT 2000

Hi everybody. I've been looking for rare teardrop exoplodes/cope stuff in the Napster but i found none. Doesn't want anybody to share some rare stuff. I hope I can add in the very near future.

Malachy lho63@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 17:50:13 EDT 2000


Yes that brings back memories. The Dictators lead singer's name was "Handsome Dick Manitoba". I seem to remember a song called "Surf Nazis Must Die" or something like that. Great fun.


Mothra Mon Sep 25 17:56:23 EDT 2000

Oh yes we have tickets for November..yyyaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaayyy!!!

'lo Nat, I have *one* chilli! Still, been in hospital for two weeks witha bunch of gummy monsters spreading brain death with their granny platitudes, it's a wonder I am still cogent. I gotta walk...

bee blessed

Nat Rocking in the free world Tue Sep 26 05:17:09 EDT 2000

Maybe I should give The Dictators a play! I'm scared by their hair to be honest and those over the shoulder stares into the camera! Only one person has managed to carry one of those off successfully and that was Angnetha from Abba! Cheeky Winker she was.. Oh and un zipped tight leather - usually a tad saucey but not this time!

I knew about the Stooges link. But wooooo scarey hair....Mullets ahoy.

HORRAH for your Chilli Mothra!

I'm off to dance Silly in my lounge with a hairbrush...

Nat x

izzy mullets@ahoy!.com Tue Sep 26 08:07:30 EDT 2000

Nat, you're scaring me, I can picture that sleeve now! What's more, I've just had an email saying that The Alarm are touring (with Spear of Destiny supporting, arse about face or what?), lord help us!

At least I have that lovely Phil Collins song thats at no 1 in my head....no hair rules, surely?


andrew common.era@hotbot.com Tue Sep 26 10:40:50 EDT 2000

The dark recesses of my brain tells me that the NOTLD 2 track was Spacehopper. But I've never seen the film so I may be very wrong, it has been known to happen before! - Andrew

Trav tripalot.com/travis Wed Sep 27 08:19:09 EDT 2000

Hola folks!

Okay, hopefully some time this week we'll get FTP working on our new server. When that happens, I'll be able to finish the migration to the new server.

Well, what does this mean to you? Not much, except that we might have to change our bookmarks (I'll find out soon if we can get a URL alias going), and also I will be archiving this page soon.

After I get the site move finalized, I'll post info about Interpreters CD, new bios, etc. I'll also find out if/how we can use the FTP server as a repository for *legal* mp3s and real audio files.

In the mean time, I'd like to set a deadline for Interpreters 3 submissions. We're closing in on the anniversary of the Interpreters 2 release (hard to believe, huh???).

Let's set an October deadline. How's the 15th sound?


Roger W rogerwood2@beeb.net Wed Sep 27 21:46:34 EDT 2000

Omigod....I've just realised the connotations that go with me saying, a couple of months ago, that "I'd just got back from a trip to the Czech Republic".

Y'know, with the papers now saying that the prime movers for the demonstration on Monday were...'making recce missions to Prague as much as two or three months in advance'. Hmmm, kind of incriminating, isn't it.

Aware that my street cred hovers precariously between hero and zero, I'm just going to be completely frank and say I had nothing to do with what happened, whatever.

If it comes to the worst, though....you will write to me in prison, won't you ???

Roger :(

(Anonymous) Thu Sep 28 04:09:41 EDT 2000

The hellmouth is due to open in Southampton in 20 minutes - I'm off with my crossbow...

Nat Thu Sep 28 07:54:59 EDT 2000

hell hath no fury like a woman with a cross bow! Hey Izz! ;-)

Nat on the scrounge.com Thu Sep 28 09:34:09 EDT 2000

Well my fellow copites, as you may or not realise Xmas is on its way (wooo hooo) and as I work for a Charity its now time for you to dig deep in your draws for SOCKS!

We are in need of mens socks (and pants!) preferably new but unwanted unworn gifts would also be acceptable! If any of you can help please either contact me on Njt@purpleturtle.com and I'll give you an address to send them too!

You've helped me before I hope you can help me again!

Charity begins with pants - remember that!

(Oh and no more Marrows please! there are only so many things you can do with one!)

Nat xx

Izzy Thu Sep 28 09:42:32 EDT 2000

Hell hath no fury like a woman shopping! Truly scarey.

The observer had some yum looking marrow recipes last Sunday. About the only thing worth reading in the paper as far as I could tell.

Roger: we beleive every work you say of course! (don't exclamation marks look like big winks)

Pants and socks it is - I shall see what I can lay my hands on (phwarrr)


Boolbar Didyoukeepthereceipt ? Fri Sep 29 06:06:11 EDT 2000

Alas, the only spare pants I have are used to clean windows.

Wouldn't after Xmas be the best time to ask for unwanted gift pants/socks - and any other clothing for that matter - as it will soon be that time again for parents/aunts/granparents to show that they still don't have a clue what your taste in clothes is.

Or you could get everyone to throw their underware at JC on the tour - then collect it afterwards. It might give him a Tom Jones complex though.

Boolbar oooops I did it again Fri Sep 29 06:10:05 EDT 2000

Hey how did that happen ? I only posted once.

Hey how did that happen ? I only posted once.

[referring to a multiple posting, which I've cleaned up. -- Trav]

Izzy PantaLoon! Fri Sep 29 07:10:30 EDT 2000

Oh Bool, I got so excited when there were THREE railon messages in my mailbox. Not that it isn't fabulous to hear from you darling. Ahem.

May I ask Nat, why ladies keks aren't wanted?

Going tush-wiggling tonight with the boys from Wales. That'll be fun...

Nat Mon Oct 2 04:15:35 EDT 2000

Crikey I forgot that Boolbar you only have homeless after Xmas! and during the winter, its not a 365 day problem. Darn it I knew I was doing something wrong! Unfortunately people do need pants every day of the year!

We only really have men Izzy but if you want to donate womans things then please do!


Izzy Mon Oct 2 04:53:44 EDT 2000

Morning Nat,

Women's knickers just aren't as warm as men's though are they? I tend to nick my fellas on those chilly wintry mornings. Mmmm cosy.

Saw this terrible band on Saturday night. Hipstar or Hipster (a star shape where the ambiguous vowel is). Something a bit depeche mode and then momentarily cult (she sells sanctuary) but that makes them sound too good. Oh it was horrible, do avoid please.

I do love a good intelligent critique, don't you?

Richard H r.p.f.hayward@wkac.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 07:22:40 EDT 2000

Even greater news for those going to see Julian in Gloucester or London. For on those nights on the tour Julian will be joined on stage not only by D R Skinner but also by Thighpaulsandra for a couple of songs. Those going to Nottingham will also see Julian joined on stage by Doggen who wants to play S.T.A.R.C.A.R. on his new Les Paul Guitar. (See October Address Drudion.)

If anybody going to either Gloucester or Nottingham has a portable tape machine then if possible can they tape the shows?

Richard H.

Izzy Mon Oct 2 09:05:35 EDT 2000

Re address drudion

Phew, looks like I can go naked and get dressed there. Saves worrying about what to wear. Perhaps we should get those tix for London?

andrew common.era@hotbot.com Mon Oct 2 10:47:54 EDT 2000

If anyone is still looking for Rite2 then there is a copy up for grabs at eBay right now, starting at only 1¢!

Quoyle You're Living All Over Me. Mon Oct 2 13:53:08 EDT 2000

Oh the agony of choice.

Elliott Smith or Wolves V Grimsby ?

nat Tue Oct 3 04:13:53 EDT 2000

Izz - I'm up for London! Did you see that article on Julian in the Daily Echo last Friday? I have a copy if you want a read.... its Salisbury next Friday we could pop along to that one too and see if we can get in! Let me know..... I'll pollute in my car!

Nat x

izzy miseryguts.com Tue Oct 3 06:33:36 EDT 2000

Quoyle - go see Wolves v Grimsby, you'll enjoy that more (and I hate football!)

Nat, I'm up for Salisbury and maybe london (though I feel scared just to think of entering that city). Let me know about next friday!

someone just walked past my office with lots of perfume on - its making me sneeze!

QUOYLE BLACK DIAMOND Tue Oct 3 13:59:49 EDT 2000

After years of ridicule from fellow Copeheads for my allegiance to the KISS ARMY its all a bit different now the ArchDrude has spoken up about the greasepaint warriors.

So here is my Bluffers Guide to get you ready for the new tour:

You can't go wrong with the first 6 studio albums - Kiss,Hotter Than Hell,Dressed To Kill,Destroyer,Rock + Roll Over and Love Gun.

They knocked them out 2 a year - Big dumb Heavy Rock (not metal).

Bob Ezrin produced Destroyer and calmed things down a little with orchestras and the cheese-ballad Beth.But don't worry the next 2 were the dumbest yet (Ladies Room,Calling Dr.Love,Plaster-Caster).

The compilation Double Platinum rounded them all up, but as everyone should know the twin double live albums Alive/Alive 2 captures the most energetic versions.

Unfortunately it all went a bit Soft Rock with Dynasty + Unmasked.

Then came the legendary (Music From)The Elder, an aborted film soundtrack produced again by Ezrin and bizarrely part co-written with Lou Reed.It could be the greatest ever concept album or it could be the worst, its hard to tell.

And after that I wouldn't bother anymore.Out went Ace Frehley and in came songwriting teams like Adams/Vallance.Creatures Of The Night was rocking but the magic had gone.RIP.

mikef mike.fiddler@lineone.net Tue Oct 3 14:42:13 EDT 2000

HI All,

anyone out there going to the Basingstoke show on the 15th? I'll be there - I'm easy to recognise since I only have one nose. I counted it twice to make sure.

I'm not sure what sort of audience he'll get in Bstoke, its an odd venue. I might venture to the Reading show also since its only just up the road.



Richard Hayward r.p.f.hayward@wkac.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 06:55:49 EDT 2000

Here is a text copy of the article on Julian from the Southampton Daily Echo Friday September 29, 2000.

Rock on, Julian

Julian Cope

Julian Cope is a curious man. Always regarded as something of an eccentric genius, you might wonder why musician who has found critical acclaim so easy to come by is now writing books and making TV programmes about standing stones.

The answer is simple-that's what makes him Julian Cope and, without these other diversions, he couldn't make his music.

But now he's back doing what he does best and is set to blaze a trail with his new tour, An Audience With The Cope 2000.

"I decided to go back on tour because I was going to book-signings and getting hassle from people who wanted to see me perform my music," he explains.

"I thought it would be churlish not to-and also a good excuse to do something I enjoy."

"I've got no new album to promote, I'm just going to do my songs from the past 20 years."

Cope now 42, found his musical feet while studying in Liverpool (fellow students included Ian McCulloch and Pete Wylie), but had his first major success as the lead singer of the Teardrop Explodes.

But after several fruitful years, cope decided to go it alone and pursue his own highly individual agenda.

"In the Eighties I was managed by the man who managed Tears for fears. They were always recording and polishing albums and it would take them two years to record it and then two years promoting it."

"I don't dedicate myself to a project for that long. My heroes have always fuelled me and I took my lead from them because they were always moving on to new things."

Recently Cope has dedicated himself to his books and a TV show, The Modern Antiquarian.

"In 1989 I was feeling very removed from culture and life and I was neurotic about everything, but when I went to Brighton and the West Country and saw the sea I felt better. So I began to think part of the malaise was due to environmental factors and when I looked back it all started with the industrial revolution when we were taken out of the fields and put into factories."

"It's really the removal of horizon as part of a physical geography and I found that things really went wrong when man became a monument builder, and so I've travelled around to 570 monuments over eight years."

"I feel the book is the closed I've come to being understood."

One of copes best known works is Floored Genius. The singer admits he has "an element of genius" in him. "I'm good at conjuring up the moment, but my flaw is that I've not the dedication to keep with it or polish it," he says. "But I've got great regard for people on a quest. I don't mind if they fail so long as the try.

"Genius will always be flawed, it's inevitable. If you see a flame you are drawn to it-but you hope you don't get too burnt on the way."

Julian Cope is at Salisbury City Hall on October 13 (box office: 01722 327676) and Southampton Guildhall on October 22 (box office: 023 8063 2601).

Richard H Winchester

izzy Wed Oct 4 11:26:54 EDT 2000

Hey Richy-roo, which gig(s) are you going to? See you in the Mash-Tun next time I'm in your beautiful town? We could go play darts in the big barn and ride the bronze pig....

Nat! Basingstoke, Salisbury yeah! You know its over a year since we met? Aaah, isn't that lovely.

Izzy Wed Oct 4 11:32:04 EDT 2000

I now feel a sense of completeness. I also notice that Shrimp is now at the top of the list of people to whom all these msgs get sent and not me anymore. Poo.

shrimp midsuffolk@unisonfree.net Wed Oct 4 12:54:09 EDT 2000

Being no 1 on a lis is not important as I have no album, tour, book or anything else to promote or sell.

Just because I am perceived as on top of the pile is only a development through modern society.

I am merely on a list together with a like minded group of individuals - no tops no bottoms no middles no lessers no highers - just a list.


Izzy Wed Oct 4 14:36:33 EDT 2000

Ah, you see Shrimp, you clearly do not have a competitive spirit and this is why you were not in the Olympics this time...

Malachy lho63@hotmail.com Wed Oct 4 18:14:00 EDT 2000

Hi All on the List

Olympics finished at last! A very strange time it was indeed - not as bad as I had thought it would be. So tired of the patriotic flag waving though.

That was an interesting article on Cope - will pass that one on to non-Net Cope fiends.

shrimp midsuffolk@unisonfree.net Wed Oct 4 18:40:41 EDT 2000

Oh but I love the competition and bet on it regularly - just can't be arsed with all that I am better/lesser than you or whatever. I was in the Olympics in 1964 and won a very golden medal - but then I went and ate it before my brother got his hands on it - I therefore won the competition twice.

Got to go and make a list - my top 1034 best krautrock sounds - whoops I've already done that!

Cherish contradictions

PaulB pbrowne@arc23.com http://www.arc23.com/ss/ Wed Oct 4 20:01:07 EDT 2000

I don't know - I go away for 5 minutes and... nothing much happens.

I hope that Copey does 'Do It Clean' on tour (if you haven't read Q this month you will not get this joke).

HH webmaster Chris turned up in the latest issue of web mag Create Online - and with a mention of the HH site to boot.

I have decided to pass on the Shepherds Bush Empire gig - despite being based in London, I'd rather travel then suffer another night at Cramp-U-Like. I'm still having flashbacks from the last gigs.....

I've just been interviewed for a music prog on TV. Only now do I realise that I should have been wearing the Screaming Secrets T-Shirt.. D'Oh!

And now I must listen to the new Mighty Wah! comp.... Seven Minutes To Midnight indeed....

Izzy greenbeltslayer@thecouncil.com Thu Oct 5 05:18:51 EDT 2000

I have misjudged you Shrimp, not only do you have the competitive nature required to acheive but also the obsessive streak needed for those many hours of meticulous training (I understand this is particularly important in the medal-eating events). Combine that with my strong arms and flag-waving prowess and we'd have a perfect modern diathlon team.

On a serious note, I quite like the patriotic stuff, if its very good humoured (and the olympics as a whole seemed v v good humoured). We judged the competitors on how responded to their wins. For example, the real winners were the 'winner-grinners' like the Dutch swimmer lass and our British chick. The losers were the aggressive-winners who punched the air and frowned. Wierd. I'm afraid several Americans fell into this category...

On another serious note, isn't synchronised swimming marvelous?

Welcome back PaulB. Phew now things can start to happen again, what a releif!

Nat Njt@purpleturtle.com Thu Oct 5 05:22:49 EDT 2000

Izz - I'm up for Salisbury definately and Basingstoke, In fact I'm usually up fer anything! Unless its a week night and I have to go to work the next day, cause belive you me I need my beauty sleep

;-) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Mike - see ya at Basingstoke - me and Izz are easy to spot too as we've got a total of 4 ears which makes us unique!

Must book myself in for a stylish hair cut B4 the Southampton Evening!! Hmmmmmmm Ahhhhhhhhhhhh I'm blinking excited I can tell you....

There was a nice photo with the Daily Echo article of Julian in Tweed - I think we should all wear Tweed...in support of the Tweed makers.

Nat x

Boolbar searching4Q Thu Oct 5 06:14:26 EDT 2000

Cope is in the latest Q ??

So that could be why I can't find an issue anywhere in Norfolk, obviously been selling like hot cakes. Although since magazine distribution is done by horse and cart around these parts, it could just be late.

Oh, and does anyone else crack up when they hear 'Satisfaction' on FG3 ?

Richard Hayward R.P.F.Hayward@wkac.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 06:38:55 EDT 2000

Izzy I will be going to several gigs on the tour including the Following Salisbury, Basingstoke, Reading,Southampton and London.

Richard Hayward


(Anonymous) Thu Oct 5 06:40:59 EDT 2000

So about the multiple post my computer has been playing up.

Richard H

ron still@the_ranch Thu Oct 5 13:08:17 EDT 2000

well bless my cotton socks... they're in demand. er... boxers or briefs? another eternal question. kicked back recovering from Coronary Angioplasty, Quoyle, hope your stay in hospital was more pleasant than mine. Will the doc release me for London? gotta catch the number 9 with Mothra.

Big Shout Out to Sir Andrew of McMurray, the single most beautiful human being standing upright and proud. I received my copy of the Modern Antiquarian in the post and am on my 3rd viewing, although the first may not have counted as it took that much to decipher Julian's heavy Texas accent;o)

pablo lives! I have to know, dija get the 'Kennedy' card, or dija just totally freak? uh, look out! Oh, Iz I believe that Richard will be at Salisbury, Bassigstoke, Reading, So'ton, London(a Donn-eye gig;o), and I'm not sure... Following? I've heard of Reading, but not Following... and you can send any ladies kickers to me, preferably worn, but not soiled, I'll take care of 'em.

Yes, since the French failed to show in Sidney (maybe they got lost?), the Americans were without a doubt the most ill-mannered of the Olympians. There was some especially disturbing behaivour that was quite em-bare-ass-ing.

give me the keys bitch... ah, always respectful of the mother... ROCK!

PaulB Thu Oct 5 13:29:44 EDT 2000

..and don't forget Copey will be in the following month's edition of Q in their Cash for Questions section.

Typical question:

Do you think you'll ever reform Echo And The Bunnymen again?

PaulB Thu Oct 5 13:34:48 EDT 2000

Ron: I did indeed receive the postcard. I was nowhere near that grassy knoll - which, in fact, is actually a very interesting Neolithic tomb.

Izzy: Richard will be going to several gigs on the tour including Salisbury, Basingstoke, Reading,Southampton and London (only Screaming Secrets knows this because we've always got our finger on the pulse...).

ron Thu Oct 5 15:03:48 EDT 2000

oh my god say it ain't so... Julian and Big Mac on stage together again? Who needs a KISS stage show when you have a 'crucially explosive' (ugh... groan did I really say that) combination like that! I shall stay tuned to Screaming Secrets as I'm sure they will be on top of this story.

use those 15 minutes wisely Paul, missed ya!

PaulB Thu Oct 5 15:11:31 EDT 2000

Yes, in this universe Julian was indeed lead singer of Echo And The Bunnymen. Ian McCulloch, meanwhile, continued to fame with Pete Wylie as The Crucial Two. Andy McCluskey achieved chart success with Dalek I Love You. Pete Burns now runs a successful chain of clothes shops called 'Get Her...' and Bill Drummond was abducted by the Illuminati.

Now I must get ready for The Spitfire Boys reunion gig...

Bill Drummond lots_of_bills@ZOO.records.com Thu Oct 5 18:26:37 EDT 2000

Anyone know which gigs Ian will join Jules? There may be some royalties involved. I've got Dave Balfe checking the fine print, but I'm afraid he may have injested a bit of LSD... oh dear http://www.bar-none.com/bios/drumbio.html

E Wilson ew_ilson@yahoo.com Fri Oct 6 05:19:32 EDT 2000

Saw JC's solo show in Glasgow last night. Fantastic. Nice to see Donald Skinner again.

Can anyone direct me to Universal Panzies or Brain Donor stuff on the web, I'd like to hear them.

Paul Bee Fri Oct 6 10:44:54 EDT 2000

"performed with the group Big in Japan"

Well, actually he *formed* that band. Check your press clippings - Holly Johnson performed with that band as well (oh mum!).

Also, don't forget The Wild Swans, Lori &The Chameleons, Those Naughty Lumps and The Expelaires (they also nearly had OMD &The Ravishing Beauties - but I digress...).

Of course in this universe Zoo only had two bands: Ian McCulloch's Teardrop Explodes and Copey's Echo &The Bunnymen.

Crikey! It's almost 4 O'Clock. Time for me to pop into the top floor of HMV in Oxford Street and see if they can recommend any good Jazz mags (if you are a woman, you will not get this joke)

tracy tracyr@stone-circle.fsnet.co.uk Fri Oct 6 23:53:59 EDT 2000

Is anyone here going to the Nottingham gig???

tracy Fri Oct 6 23:56:22 EDT 2000

Yes Paul I do get that joke and I am a woman, my question is why on earth would you advertise the fact to everyone else?? Is it a kind of male bonding thing?????

Russ russ@julian-cope.com http://www.julian-cope.com Sat Oct 7 04:20:09 EDT 2000


Can't wait for Nottingham! Paul did you get your Jazz mag, I've never had enough balls to reach up and buy one all those big well polished instruments!


Mothra No.9 Sat Oct 7 04:53:52 EDT 2000

They've put the fare up my good friend. But as long as we look cool they'll let us sit in the buggy section for free.

PaulB Sat Oct 7 08:47:12 EDT 2000

I think I've been misinterpreted. You see, the joke is that HMV don't sell Jazz mags - they just sell Jazz records on the top floor. They'd recommend I try a newsagents! HahhaaHaaa! Which is handy, because I could pick up some good Jazz mags at the same time as some hot horno porno mags.

A male bonding thing is to phone someone up and go "WAAAASSSSSSUUUUUUPPPPPPP?!!!!!". (if you do not watch TV, you will not get this joke)

*WARNING* - amusing pop culture joke only valid for limited period.

Andy apdavies@waitrose.com Sat Oct 7 18:02:26 EDT 2000


Not particularly a TE fan but was tonight listening to some old 80s tracks with some friends and we got into a dispute about "Reward". That first line of the lyrics "Bless my cotton socks I'm in the ****" What is that last word? Can you help please I've got a fiver on it.


Andy in Hampton Wick

ron Sat Oct 7 19:10:53 EDT 2000

PaulB, glad you cleared that up, I was gonna deal you some of my back issues of Juggs mags for a SS tshirt. No phone # on web site, so couldn't ring you. Hey tracy, I don't think Richard will be at Nottingham, but I believe he will be in Following, Salisbury, Basingstoke, Reading, So'ton, and London. Bee like Fonzie hmm... more comfortable in hip, forward thinking MOFO mode, but if that's what it takes Mothra I'll try. Maybe in my best American accent 'let me in, let me in'... er on.

tracy tracyr@stone-circle.fsnet.co.uk Sat Oct 7 19:27:40 EDT 2000

Andy, it's "news."

HAHAHAHAHA Paul B i guess you are quite tall then.

PaulB Sat Oct 7 19:52:22 EDT 2000

The things people will do for a Screaming Secrets T Shirt...

If you can get hold of back issues of 'Sexy Swans' then we'll talk - oooo those fluffy white feathers get me everytime...

BTW the Screaming Secrets website is getting a kind of revamp during which we'll try and get more archive articles from back issues up - perhaps even a Copey interview or two.

amazon Sat Oct 7 19:59:04 EDT 2000

I'm so nervous, I'm so nervous

an old geezer odinrules@nowf.com Sun Oct 8 06:04:22 EDT 2000

bless my cotton socks I'm in the news

Chris chris@kleber.net http://www.headheritage.co.uk Sun Oct 8 11:03:05 EDT 2000

Hello my lovelies.

I've been quiet and over-worked.

Here I am on a Sunday, having uploaded the new WSYM album of the month and the "Audience With The Cope" audio clips onto the HH site.

They're only a minute long each so hardly do justice, but you know. Whatever.

It's for sale in the Merchandiser too.

Anyone going to London/Southend (!!!!!) gigs?


chris x

PaulB Sun Oct 8 16:05:13 EDT 2000

Hello Chris,

Can you sign my copy of Create Online? I've been a fan for years. When are you going to all the old websites again? Also, where do you get all your ideas from?

London! Tell Copey to do the Astoria and we'll go. Even Bruce was relieved to pass on (Huck! Phht!!!) Shepherds Bush Empire.

amazon Sun Oct 8 18:22:05 EDT 2000

Hey has anyone on here been to see julian already this tour?

What was it like? As good as his last few tours? Do we all have to sit on seats? I can't see that going down too well with w.s.y.m. and out of my mind on dope and speed!! ....Unless people bounce up and down on their bums....

How much are the t-shirts and are they size xl only? If they come in s I could get a few for my friends but I need to know beforehand so I can collect the monies.


a23 Sun Oct 8 19:11:21 EDT 2000

Amazon: the Tshirts are £12 each and come in Large and XL only. No small people catered for.

BTW, no Dope &Speed or WSYM at the Edinburgh gig

Randy Newman Sun Oct 8 19:13:12 EDT 2000

Short/small people got no reason to live.

amazon Sun Oct 8 19:47:49 EDT 2000

Thank you so much a23, noone ever answers my questions on here.

And what a bummer!!!!! I don't want a large t-shirt, Julian! I want to look sexy and shapely and show off my big round boobies, not look like a great fat shapeless heap who recently gave birth to a baby so has no waist or hips. Oh duh, too late!!!!!!!

Oh maybe I could give it to my Mom to wash, then it will fit my baby aswell. At least he will look cool and cute.

PaulB ss@arc23.com http://www.arc23.com/ss/ Sun Oct 8 20:19:42 EDT 2000

I'll have to have a mooch through the boxes Amazon, perhaps we have a small sized Screaming Secrets T-Shirt that you can use to, er, show off your big round boobies.

Mind you, I bet you'd look sexy in a potato sack (I certainly do).

(Anonymous) Mon Oct 9 05:38:53 EDT 2000

Hi all, I've got a favour to ask. So far there's been two Glasgow and one Edinburgh date. And you lucky Leeds lads and lasses are next up for the cup. Can those of you attending the concerts post a play list for each night cause I'm bringing a couple of newbies to London with me and I wanted to do them a various so they can sing-a-long-a-copey. BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again, i've always had a soft spot for the SBE, at least it's got a standing area. Why does everyone else seem to hate it?? St.

pristine mark_silver@cyphergroup.com www.thepristinemachine.net Mon Oct 9 05:42:35 EDT 2000

I'll sort a setlist out for you tonight if you like.

Can't wait now. Only got my ticket Friday and put it to the back of my mind all weekend. Now I've just remembered that it's tonight!


(Anonymous) Mon Oct 9 06:29:08 EDT 2000

Mucho gracias Pristine, have a good un.

One other thing, I was listening to the newish (mellower) Iggy Pop album and I don't know if it's just me but he's vocally sounding more and more like the drude, has anyone else noticed this strange phenomena? St.

amazon Mon Oct 9 13:45:49 EDT 2000

Ha ha ha ha Morfe, I'm going tomorrow, and you have to wait for AGES and AGES!!!

I'll think of you at home with your gliders while I'm there.

Oh thank you Paul B, that would be so cool, I am sick of wearing baggy preggo clothes!!!! It's about time I reminded everyone I am a woman.

Oh gross, my son is singing Shania Twain's "I feel like a woman" now in the most ugly southern American accent!!!

Buzzard of Morfe Mon Oct 9 16:25:34 EDT 2000

Have a great one!

Nat I've another kitten@ahhhhh.Poppy Tue Oct 10 04:31:41 EDT 2000

"We are off to Salisbury, we are off to Salisbury na na na naaaa..." on Friday 13th woooooooooo scooby doo adventure me thinks Izz!

I'm not really that excited - Oh yes I am... Izz is getting her hair cut for the occasion and we're both going to be in our bestest clothes.... I may even clean my teeth....

Mark you monkey you didn't tell me you'd got tickets for Leeds had I known I would have come with you.. did Gerard attend!? ;-)

Ta for the pics Neal?!! Very strange to hear from you.... hmmm

Anyway back to the Mavis Grind Stone..

nat x

Del Tue Oct 10 10:56:09 EDT 2000

Just a quick ques. to those here who run fansites.

Why did you pick the songtitles you did for the site names

i.e. Screaming Secrets, Soul Desert and Trampolene. Just intrigued!

BTW, who's going to Brighton, not just lonely ol' me is it?

'Cos then I will be...

'dancing on my own'.


PaulB Tue Oct 10 14:30:54 EDT 2000

Del: To answer your question, I didn't pick the name Screaming Secrets - that was the responsibility of the previous owner.

Still, there does seem to be something rather fitting with the title and the song has always been a favourite of mine. Just what do those intriguing and ambigious lyrics mean?

Nat: I thought you said you were off to Sainsburys at first. Also, surely if Izzy gets here hair cut any shorter she'll be bald?

shrimp Tue Oct 10 15:17:58 EDT 2000

Ta Nat I sent the pics and they were taken by Alistair Deering in Glasgow.

Izzy Tue Oct 10 15:59:31 EDT 2000

Aaaagh! I'm bald!

Only joking, but it is quite short and VERY 2-tone (although still not Pauline Black, more Izzy Orange). You SHALL recognise me, so if you don't come up and say hello, I'll know its cos you hate me.

Of course, Shrimp, I KNEW I recognised the name. Great pictures, but where's the greasepaint?

Now, I think four of you told me which gigs Richard was going to, including Richard, did anyone else think that a little bizarre? Shall we meet up? Please don't all rush to answer for each other. I don't know Salisbury that well (and I always feel guilty going there after a certain pavement pizza event in my yooth) where's a good place to drink a grapefruit and soda?

Nat, knitting is going crap cos I ain't got no wool. Can't get to the shops because I'm chained to this pooter. Wow is me! The hellmouth hath opened and I feel drawn to shop. Deep deep wibble lampstand...

PaulB Tue Oct 10 18:36:45 EDT 2000

Knitting? KNITTING?

I think I've been getting the wrong idea about Izzy all this time.

You can keep the 'Izzy Orange' bit though - we like that.

amazon Tue Oct 10 21:59:51 EDT 2000

i just got back from seeing julian in nottingham aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh julian had been tangoed.

i'm too tired to write anything else tonight but i'll just say that starcar was excellent.

Malachy lho63@hotmail.com Tue Oct 10 22:10:50 EDT 2000

Thanks amazon

Please keep the reviews rolling in for those of us who are geographically challenged and who will probably never see the Drude live - be as profuse and descriptive or silly as you like. It helps to visualise it.

Russ russ@julian-cope.com http://www.julian-cope.com Wed Oct 11 03:22:46 EDT 2000


The day after the Nottingham gig!

Well Julian did a few suprise songs but I won't spoil it for everyone you will just have to go and see for yourself! As usual Cope came on joked, sang and did a Cope solo performance but also dropped in a few great songs one of which I have not see live before, then Donald came on and the whole thing took off and ended when Doggen came on for the encore. I must say I enjoy the gigs more when Copes got someone with him on stage as it fills the sound and gives the music more power.


Nat Clickclick@knittyknot.com Wed Oct 11 04:17:49 EDT 2000

Izz - I've saved up some of my cats hair for you, we could weave it into wool to finish the scarf!! Try the charity shops in Shirley loadsa wool...do you want me to get some... Has Francis Rossi definately got the hat?

Paul - I could got to Sainsbury I suppose. Jump a round like a looney in the frozen pea aisle whilst pretending to be seeing Julian! I may get arrested...

Can't wait til Friday.....


Gerard carpe50@hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 04:26:18 EDT 2000

You're knitting a scarf Nat? I still haven't finished that one I was doing for you. Think it's been about a year now since I started it, but I'll get there.

Mittens anyone?


Secret Izzy Orange Wed Oct 11 05:46:51 EDT 2000

That's funny, cos I went round the char shops in Shirley a fortnight ago and found nothing. Must have been just before the annual wool amnesty. 'bring out your skeins!'. Mr Rossi says he's got the hat, but not the ticket. Duh! And what's wrong with Knitting, Mr Paul? I'll have you know I have made many chums whilst knitting on trains. All passed over by now mind, but at least I'll have someone to talk to after the evil busdriver finally has his way. Must do something about this terrible wool situation very fast. Oh I am so excited about friday night a Sainsbury's, see you in the pea aisle, Nat, I'll be the one in the basket...

Richard Hayward R.P.F.Hayward@wkac.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 06:00:19 EDT 2000

There is a review of Julian Cope show in Leeds in section one of todays gardian 11.10.00 (p.23)

They give Julian:


:pristine pristine@postmaster.co.uk www.thepristinemachine.net Wed Oct 11 06:04:13 EDT 2000

Exceelent Richard. Saves me having to review and make a fool of myself!


St. eurstm@eur.sas.com Wed Oct 11 06:09:12 EDT 2000

Russ, pristine et al, please, please, send me the set list, I wanna make a pre gig sampler for my non coped-up mates, so they can join in the funny noises at the right moments. That's all for now folks, St.

PaulB Wed Oct 11 07:37:11 EDT 2000

A review on Copey's show? On Page 23? Well or *course* it's going to be page 23 ;-)

I just hope we get a chance to hear Copey talking this time. He tends to spoil those monologues by throwing in songs inbetween....

Izzy: When we discuss making friends, we don't mean ones made out of wool. I have only two words to say to you: sock puppets!

I can't say that Sainsburys has been a "happening" place recently, although I did have an erotic moment while contemplating a Wagon Wheel once...

Nat Wed Oct 11 07:55:52 EDT 2000

My god you lot, you crack me up... sock puppets and wagon wheels....I'm a crying.

Go on Pristeen take the plunge give us a review...


Natx still crying...

:pristine pristine@postmaster.co.uk www.thepristinemachine.net Wed Oct 11 08:40:13 EDT 2000

Here's my contribution folks. The Guardian review of Leeds City Varieties show.


Julian Cope has nothing to promote. No new book; there hasn't been a new album for four years. He's touring, he tells us, because people at his sporadic book-signing sessions said he should. On one hand, this sums up the eco-warrior author's now seemingly irreversable marginalisation as a pop performer. But almost three marvellous hours in his company demonstrate that Cope's unlikely success is something far more cherishable.

He doesn't even have a record company, never mind kowtow to one, but creates an intimate, magical antidote to rock's current sterile, corporate excesses. Cope has spent the past 20 years trying to convince us that he's weird, but seems to have finally accepted that he's just extremely funny.

This year's model wears stack heel boots (which render him 8ft tall), ladies tights, a camouflage jacket, make-up and about three tons of matted hair. With his neck dyed blue, he looks like neanderthal man reincarnated as a larger than life glam rocker. His appearance may well render this show unsuitable for small children (who would certainly run away), but at least it's impossible to look elsewhere.

Half the show is aided by Donald Ross Skinner on bass/keys and normal haircut; the rest is just Cope, a guitar, a synthesised drone and wit. The stripped-down, ghostly voices lean towards Cope's Fried period, and there are few hits - but plenty of visits to the back catalogue's political wing.

Like Frank Zappa, Cope appears to have realised that the best way to deliver a serious message is with humour. Promised Land, he says, was designed to get rid of Thatcher. "It didn't work," he sighs. "I needed two or three other songs."

Sunspots is mauled, Me Singing is spellbinding, but there aren't any new songs. Three years in the making, his Citizen Caned album remains uncompleted. However, for the moment it is enough for Cope to remind us that he "rocks" (as he puts it). Thus, for Sleeping Gas, he crawls Iggy-like on his belly, clambers over the theatre's seats, and finally stands precariously aloft on two chairs. "I'll be back next time with bigger boots!" he howls. And he probably will.

Nat Wed Oct 11 10:02:35 EDT 2000

Pristeen you Chicken!!

Gerard carpe50@hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 10:10:25 EDT 2000

yeah, he's a chicken

amazon Wed Oct 11 12:32:16 EDT 2000

Nat and Izzy- is this the Shirley in the Midlands you are talking about?

Russ- were you at Nottingham too? It seems I missed a few of you there last night, sorry. Where were you? I was at the front. And no, I was not the one screaming!

Izzy Wed Oct 11 14:01:06 EDT 2000

'fraid not Amazon. Can't imagine why anyone would want to call a village Shirley, probably means 'the shire in the field' or something. Anyway, our Shirley is a pretty wee village in Hampshire, ho ho.

Socket the dog says 'hi!' to all his chums on Rail On!

Me? I prefer Waitrose, but then I am rather posh...

PaulB Wed Oct 11 17:36:45 EDT 2000

Shirley you can't be serious?


How does a dog get called 'Socket'?

amazon Wed Oct 11 19:10:34 EDT 2000

Is anyone here going to Northampton?

tracy Wed Oct 11 19:26:23 EDT 2000

HEHEHEHE Morfe, only another month to go!!

Richard R.P.F.Hayward@wkac.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 05:29:05 EDT 2000

Here Is a set list of the recent Cope show in Nottingham that was sent to me via e-male:

Intro music started at 8:15, Copy came on at 8:30 &finished at 10:50 after 1 encore.

Set was:-

Upwards At 45-S. Desert-I'm Your Daddy-Promised Land-Autogeddon Blues-Land Of ear-Sunspots-Search Party-Me Singing-Laughing Boy (1st song with Doneye)-E.E.Rider-Leperskin-Sleeping Gas-Las Vegas-Yeah Yeah Yeah-Church Of England 1991-Jellypop-Ptisteen-G.Dominions-s.t.a.r.c.a.r.

Richard Hayward

Boolbar Thu Oct 12 05:36:05 EDT 2000

Leeds - Sounded like a good show - shame it's a long time until November. Is he wearing much the same at every show ?


P.S. I've been to Shirley in the Midlands. Rather dull place.

P.P.S. Who had the mouse a few months ago, 'cos I've got one now who tap-dances at night keeping us awake. I found that peppermint oil is moving it around (they don't like the smell) but haven't got to spraying all it's hidey-holes yet.

johnny Thu Oct 12 05:41:15 EDT 2000

Me Singing!! Bugger, I've asked him to play that at numerous gigs and he always flatly refused. Not that I think it's anywhere near his best, but it's got something about it.


Nat Thu Oct 12 06:27:47 EDT 2000

'Land of ear' hey! thats a new one on me Richard!! tee hee hee ;-)

Shirley, Southampton is lovely if you are inbreed and wear white leggins and huge gold earings and have 5 children at the age of 12 or like watching old men in pubs fight by throwing chairs at each other (Windor Castle Izz good for a Saturday afternoon entertainment). Hmmmmm not that I'm a snob or anything! I think the phrase is quaint!

NOT LONG TIL FRIDAY NOW......... woooooo hooooooo any chance of a Mik Mak Mok do you think? Or does Julian not do a request slot?

Nat x

Izzy Thu Oct 12 09:10:31 EDT 2000


Well, I'm just glad that I've been jenning up on Fried is all I can say. Now I can nerr nerr along with the best of you! Fella has got it now, we MikMakMokked on the phone to each other last night, but you didn't want to know that did you? I'm very nearly wetting myself I'm so excited.

Nat, the old boys from the Windsor Castle used to come to throw-up outside my flat so I moved somewhere posh. I am a snob!

Roll-on tomorrow, roll-on...

ron Dr. Quinn, Medicene Woh-man@da_ranch Thu Oct 12 10:15:34 EDT 2000

poor richard... hope you have a good sense of humor, we have been a wee bit picky. keep those excellent postings coming, we wouldn't pick on ya if we didn't love ya;o) Tremendously jealous of all the folks participating in the pilgrimage. Any one seen hide or hare of Mac? Nat, I emptied my drawers, are you still interested? and Andrew I am getting together a really nice package for you as well...

This really isn't cope related but, I was kicked back cold chillin' here at the ranch and looked up and saw Keef on the telly, ok this is interesting, then there's Elton, and they are like saying the rudest things about each other. Whas up wit' dat? jeesssussss, I didn't even know they listened to each others music... maybe they bumped into each other on the playground trolling for 16 year olds?

do you keep finding that Julian makes more sense as the years roll by?

horizontally challenged at 45 degrees

Nat Shirley not@pardon the pun.com Thu Oct 12 10:53:13 EDT 2000

I'll have anything out yer drawers Ron!! Ho ho ho...... Still got the blinking video for you too, must post it out...

I heard that Mac was a teaming up with the Fun Lovin Criminals for some sort of colaboration, should be interesting... hmmm

I saw EATB in Feb (?) this year, bloody awful they were, about time they stopped trying to be what they were and either gave up or started doing something different, like becoming lifeguards or postmen.... Julian has dignity, they just looked old and haggered and still trying to rekindle what was once....

Thats my opinon anyway, one of the Screaming Secrets blokes was there the night I saw them, can't remember who, perhaps they had a different view! (Mac was still a bit of a dish mind you I'll give him that, I'd still take up behind the bike sheds for a snog - those lips ooooo like sugar they were)

Nat xx

Gerard carpe50@hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 11:06:45 EDT 2000

The Bunnymen's latest adventure kicked off on Monday of this week. They have a new ep available exclusively on www.gimmemusic.co.uk

You can buy the CD (one new track called Avalanche, plus covers of their own and other artists' stuff) or download mp3s.

It didn't go very well though seeing as the site is hard to navigate and had other problems. Might be up and running now though.


St. eurstm@eur.sas.com Thu Oct 12 11:48:58 EDT 2000

Hey Marc, are you out there? I was just thinking, and I've been a very mean bugger not to think of it before, but a couple of friends, my girlie and I are going to make the track from Heidelberg to London town for the Shephards Bush gig (going late Thursday/early Friday coming back Sunday/Monday). We'll be driving via the chunnel and at the mo there is still a spare place in the car (we haven't booked anything yet but we will). Anyway, if your interested in hitching a ride drop me a line. St.

Izzy Thu Oct 12 14:38:14 EDT 2000

Oh crumbs, less than 24 hours and I still haven't decided what to wear. I hate that girlie side of me, help! My excitement has turned to butterflies...

Mothra of Morfe Thu Oct 12 18:48:28 EDT 2000

Izzy, it's a full moon, you *know* that you wear nowt but a smearing of woad-dye on nights such as these!? Tsk!

Nat wooonaked@saucey.com Fri Oct 13 04:30:45 EDT 2000

It's blooming Friday 13th today and Julian is playing tonight can anything go wrong before that time.... AHHHHHHHHH

I am so excited.. Izzy I've decided now to go for that full length Gaultier number and have found that if I wedge my 6" Stillettos into some cheese I can drive extremely well....but going naked and covered in woad-dye does sound appealling. Steve and me are staining some doors at the mo Iz if you fancy some of that on your naked bod!!!

brrrrr chilly

Izzy iz@fullmoon.com Fri Oct 13 04:42:13 EDT 2000

Aaaah a full moon, now i understand why i woke in such a vile mood and why i feel such a strange affinity with Oz in buffy...

St. Fri Oct 13 05:53:11 EDT 2000

Damn and blast it all, just rang to get tickets for Shephards Bush and all the downstairs is sold out, so we'll have to get tickets in the balcony "senile git" seated area. And I wanted to bop, wahhhhh, not fair!!! Hopefully, we'll be able to dodge the bouncers before Donald starts to rock da house, or maybe I should do "stage" diving off the balcony, you'd catch me wouldn't you ....

:pristine forwardthinking@mofo.com www.thepristinemachine.net Fri Oct 13 05:55:40 EDT 2000

Nat, if you wedged your stillettos in cheese, your footwear would be not unlike that of Julian's these days...


PaulB Fri Oct 13 06:22:44 EDT 2000

St: Plus, the only tickets available are way, way up on the uppermost balcony.

Oxygen masks and Sherpa Tensing are available.

Izzy painted naked in woad?

I'll get me brush.

Does anyone have an actual *booking* number for St Albans? The lazy asses always have the answerphone on.

Steven swaldfogle@aol.com Fri Oct 13 08:31:04 EDT 2000

Have a great time tonight all..and to everyone else that's catching His Drudeness on this go-round.

Nat-if you have a chance,be a dear and drop me an e- with all the juicy details.Everyone else can feel free to as well...you can all be dears!

Might as well get them vicarious thrills

DriveDriveDrive safely




(Anonymous) Fri Oct 13 10:54:35 EDT 2000

My it's all gone quiet in here. So 2 questions - is the audience with Cope CD worth it, I've listened to the clips on HH and I can't say it really grabs me - is it a grower? And secondly, what the hell is a Dicenn (since the Glam Dicenn has four parts, I think we should be told. Any takers? St.

(Anonymous) Fri Oct 13 13:26:07 EDT 2000

A type of vacuum cleaner I think.

PaulB Fri Oct 13 16:26:42 EDT 2000

A gem taken from www.rawilson.com:

RELIGIOUS WARS: People murdering each other over who has the real imaginary friend.

ron Fri Oct 13 21:14:58 EDT 2000

makes as much sense as anything else I've ever heard, as if the deaths of innocents will ever make any sense.

Izzy Sat Oct 14 04:29:21 EDT 2000

It was a full moon on Friday the 13th and only a Julian Cope gig could completely rearrange my mood. Thanks for taking us Nat, I'm still giggling now.

Anyone on this list who was at the Sarum gig, those girls to the right of the stage were NOT us. OK?

Roll on 22nd...

(Anonymous) Sat Oct 14 11:05:01 EDT 2000

The Glam Dicenn (from the HH Q&A...)

"... its roots come from the Druidical curse known as the Glam Dicenn, in which the poet stands on one leg, screws up one eye and extends one arm and delivers a mighty poetic blow to his opponent. As the Oxford Dictionary of Celtic Mythology comments: "The victim of the Glam Dicenn would be shunned by all levels of society." I have incorporated this idea into my work in order to show the power of the once-outsider both in terms of the poetic Glam Dicenn and the musical Glam Descend."

Odin Rules in-deed.

Mikef Sat Oct 14 11:14:22 EDT 2000

HI - anyone who remembers me from days of old, when this web site was a mere twinkling newsletter in Travs eye, I'll be at the Basingstoke show tomorrow. I'll probably do something dull, like wear a Jehovahkill tour shirt, and I have very little hair and I have seats right at he front centre, so I should be spottable. I have never been to a gig in Basingstoke before, so I have no idea who is going to be there or what size audience he'll get...

see you there


Richard Hayward Sat Oct 14 11:49:34 EDT 2000

Julian Cope Salisbury City Hall 13.10.00

At 8 PM Julian walked on stage wearing 5" platform boots and he had orange face paint on, leggings and a sleeveless camo Jacket.

"Good evening Sarum"

"I'm here to play a lot of songs which is why you have all got seats"

"I'm gonna play lots and lots of songs tonight. I may even traipse down and stand amongst you with these 5" platforms."

Julian then plays the first song tonight which is Upwards at 45 degrees. He says that most of his songs are "old songs tonight...year in fact they're all old songs. There's no point in playing new songs at the moment because I've been writing books for the last few years and if I'd played you new songs even they're quite old I've been trying to explain that but I just figure...this gets me out of doors"

Next Julian plays Soul dessert followed by I'm your daddy "a song for my two girls" and then a great 7 minuet version of Autogeddon blues. "This is a song about being pissed off. I think that most of my songs are either love songs or songs about being pissed off." Then he plays Promised land "About ten years ago I started writing Anti Thatcher songs. She left soon after."

"I'm gonna make my way over to this fluorescent meletron," on which Julian plays Land of fear. Julian says that the Meletron "sorts out the men from the boys...people say you can't take it on the road." Conspiricist blues is next followed by Paranormal in the Westcountry. 40 seconds in and Julian starts singing "I left the bag..." and then says that he "Totally forgot the lyrics." An audience member shouts out the correct line "I packed my bags..." and Julian say's that "once is enduring twice you get your moneys worth."

"Rock and roll is a barbarian art form. I'm gonna use a double neck guitar to play one of my simplest songs...Not even gonna play it...just gonna hold it up to the light." Julian then plays sunspots on doubleneck followed by a walk amongst the audience. "I'm just going to walk amongst you." Julian says that he is a "Heavy metal band without a drummer." "I'm gonna stand very close to people who are putting off a vibe of please don't stand next to me."

Julian then says, "Ok rescued some of the vibe," and then plays Robert Mitchum followed by Me Singing. "Ok I'm gonna bring on a guest now who's gonna...help me play some severe rock and roll...please welcome Mr Donald Ross Skinner." The first song they play together is Laughing boy followed by East Easy Rider and then Leaperskin.

A great version of Sleeping gas is next during which he again walks amongst the audience. "We are going to play a song from the 70's because my old group...the Teardrop Explodes...came out of punk, it was the first song we wrote...I have to say in all honesty I wrote it...It's still my favourite song we wrote from that period. "

"Every song from now on will be an encore." Next a female member of the audience shouts out "We like you." Julian reply's "they like me Doneye...I'm going over to tell Doneye they like me. They like me Doneye." Again female audience member "and you're ok." Julian "go back to tell Doneye...she said I'm ok." A male member of the audience then says, "You're not bad. Julian "And it sounds like a male member of the audience so I don't have to be quite so pleased... but I'm still pretty moved...and the one thing I don't want to be is disappointing not when there are people in the audience who think 'I'm not bad.' Restrain yourselves"

"This is a song from Margaret suicide better known as peg and its called Las Vegas basement." Then Julian plays Silbury Moon. "This is a song that takes place maybe 40 miles from here."

"You know what I'm gonna do ...I'm still gonna do some more just a couple more." With Donald on the Button keyboard they play Jelly pop perky jean.

"Very soon we will have to sod off."

"This is the last song we're gonna do this evening Pristeen take 1."

"Alright new Sarum we're gonna go now..."

"Alright Donald Ross Skinner on everything."


Julian then leaves the stage and I go home having seen a great Show in Salisbury. It was great entertainment. I am looking forward to the other shows even more now

Richard Hayward

PS I must apologise for the long review, but I thought it would give those not able to make the tour a flavour of what the shows are like.

next Basingstoke.

ron Sat Oct 14 13:19:21 EDT 2000

Thank you Richard.

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